Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot — Thread II. . .
Starting a new thread on this to make it easier to follow latest updates.
Here’s something sickening, the AP mentions Sarah Palin four times in one article on the Giffords shooting.
Arizona Rep. Giffords Shot, At Least 5 Killed — AP
Giffords has drawn the ire of the right in the last year, especially from politicians like Sarah Palin over her support of the health care bill.
Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House voted to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords’ seat as one of the top “targets” in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers’ support for the health care law.
“For example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action,” Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her “sincere condolences” to the family of Giffords and the other victims.
Update: American traitor Jane Fonda blames Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.
Update: The NY Times’ Paul Krugman blames it on the right.
(NYT) — A Democratic Congresswoman has been shot in the head; another dozen were also shot.
We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list.
Just yesterday, Ezra Klein remarked that opposition to health reform wasgetting scary. Actually, it’s been scary for quite a while, in a way that already reminded many of us of the climate that preceded the Oklahoma City bombing.
You know that Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. and the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months and years ahead. But violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a stand against the hate-mongers.
Update: I see that Sarah Palin has called the shooting “tragic”. OK, a bit of history: right-wingers went wild over anyone who called 9/11 a tragedy, insisting that it wasn’t a tragedy, it was an atrocity.
Update: Sheriff’s Dept surrounds home of alleged suspect:
(KVOA.com) — Pima County Sheriff’s deputies have surrounded what is believed to be the home of the suspect in this morning’s tragic shooting that has claimed the lives of 6 people, including a federal judge and a young girl, and left Gabrielle Giffords and at least a dozen others injured.
AP News sources reported earlier today that Jared Loughner, 22, was the suspected shooter. News 4 located his home, and found a number of law enforcement officials outside.
Neighbors in the area say that they have seen the believed suspect, 22-year-old Jared Loughner, around the neighborhood a few times, but he didn’t associate with anyone, or talk with anyone.
Update: Army says it has no enlistment record for man suspected of shooting Rep. Giffords.
Update: Check this out via the NY correspondent for Britain’s The Telegraph. Unreal…
Update: The Arizona Daily Star is reporting that the suspect was “very disturbed,” had previous minor run-ins with the law and had been rejected by the Army:
First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson, said Loughner applied to enlist in December 2008 and was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical. But “he was found to be unqualified so he never joined the Army,” Homme said.
He declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.
Update: Video of Congresswoman Giffords reading the Constitution on the House Floor.
Via HAP
Update: Federal Judge John Roll had attended Representative Giffords’ event after attending Mass to thank her.
(WSJ) — The federal judge who was shot dead Saturday at a political event in Tucson, Arizona, was there to thank U.S. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords for backing his effort to get more judicial support for the swelling numbers of immigration cases in his district, according to two U.S. federal judges.
In an interview, Michael Hawkins, U.S. Circuit Court Judge of the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, said Judge John Roll had recently asked Ms. Giffords to sign a letter to Alex Kozinsky, the chief judge of the Ninth Circuit, to help convince the court to declare his federal judicial district a judicial emergency due to the high number of immigration and border control cases that were being heard in that district.
Update: Things are getting ugly out there for Sarah Palin. The number of Giffords/Palin stories on Google news now tops 6,000 and climbing fast. (HT: dmacleo)
Update: Oh brother. Lefty site Firedoglake plays the “pity the poor shooter, he’s insane” card and then goes on to blame the right for his insanity. The thrust of their argument:
“I would caution against implying any politics to someone who appears so disturbed, as his interpretation of political symbols and phrases are interpreted in a highly idiosyncratic and irrational way. However, if he were susceptible to violence, then the targets available by the given society, i.e., the rhetoric out there in the society, would have pointed him towards liberals, leftists, Muslims, or other minorities, and that kind of rhetoric has mainly been from the right-wing, as has been copiously commented upon.”
Update: I read about a second suspect being sought earlier today but was reluctant to post because it wasn’t sourced.
(Tucson Weekly) — Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says that law enforcement has a reason to believe another person is involved in the shootings of Judge John Roll, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others today.
“We’re not convinced that he acted alone,” he said at a news conference at Westward Look resort.
Update: Sheriff Dupnik’s holding a press conference (he’s a lefty, refused to enforce Arizona’s immigration law). Blames shooting on “vitriol coming out of certain people.” We all know who he’s talking about. More to follow.
Update: Video of this pathetic Sheriff exploiting today’s tragedy to slander the right. Scumbag. Scumbag. Scumbag.
HT: Milton/Florida Girl
Update: This just in — Ezra Klein plays armchair psychiatrist on the interwebs.
This was not an organized act of political violence, or even a rational one. Loughner’s statements were clearly insane, and though his ravings contained some political content, it is not political content that either side of the spectrum would easily recognize as their own. “I’m able to control every belief and religion by being the mind-controller” is not the comment of a sane man.
In the first hours after the shooting, however, we didn’t know that. And it was scarily easy to tell a story in which an upset citizen had taken the exhortations various political leaders had made in recent years too literally. A lot of the attention focused on Sarah Palin’s call to “Commonsense Conservatives and lovers of America: Don’t retreat, Instead — RELOAD!” That was linked to a map in which gunsights were placed on the districts of various vulnerable Democrats. One of them was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’s. “It’s time to take a stand” was written across the top of the map.
But Palin wasn’t alone in using violent imagery and rhetoric to rouse her supporters. Sharron Angle, in a radio interview, warned that “if Congress keeps it up, people may find themselves resorting to Second Amendment remedies.” Rep. Michele Bachmann said she wanted Minnesotans “armed and dangerous” in opposition to cap-and-trade. Jesse Kelly, who ran against Giffords in 2010, held a gun-themed fundraiser. The pitch read: “Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office, shoot a fully automatic M-16 with Jesse Kelly.”
I’m not suggesting that any of these individuals really meant to advocate for any acts of violence. In fact, I’m sure all of them are sick to their stomachs tonight. And there is, for us and for them, comfort that today’s events do not seem to have been an act of calculated political intent so much as an act of mental derangement.
Update: Suspicious package found at Representative Giffords office.
(KVOA) — Police have confirmed that a suspicious package has been found outside Gabrielle Giffords’ office, and a bomb squad is being called in to investigate.
People holding a vigil outside the office have been pushed well away from the area, while the investigation determines the nature of this package, and what threat it may cause
Update: FYI — Intl United Steelworkers Union “deeply saddened and also contemptuous of today’s violent event in Tucson.”
Update: CYA — Pima Community College’s Statement on the Shooter
PCC records indicate that Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in custody in connection to today’s terrible mass shooting, is a former PCC student who voluntarily withdrew from the College on Oct. 4, 2010. Loughner was a PCC student from Summer 2005 through Fall 2010, when he was suspended for Code of Conduct violations. The College’s Code of Conduct is availablehere.
From February to September 2010, Loughner had five contacts with PCC police for classroom and library disruptions at Northwest and West campuses. On September 29, 2010, College police discovered on YouTube a Loughner-filmed video made at Northwest Campus. In the video, he claims that the College is illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims.
Working with legal counsel, College administration issued a letter of immediate suspension on September 29, 2010. That evening, two police officers delivered the letter of suspension to the student at his and his parents’ residence and spoke with the student and his parents.
The suspension letter indicated that he was to contact the Northwest Campus to schedule an appointment to discuss the Code of Conduct process and suspension status. Other than for this appointment, he was prohibited from returning to the College.
Loughner and his parents met Northwest Campus administrators October 4, 2010. During this meeting Loughner indicated he would withdraw from the College. A follow-up letter was sent to him October 7, 2010 indicating that if he intends to return to the College, he must resolve his Code of Conduct violations and obtain a mental health clearance indicating, in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others.
Update: No surprise here. NOW lynches Conservatives for shooting:
The president of the top pro-abortion lobby group National Organization for Women went so far as to openly blame “extreme right-wing opponents” hours after the shooting, chastising Republican leaders and calling for a Justice Department investigation “to the fullest extent of federal anti-terrorist legislation” to determine whether the shooting was “part of a conspiracy.”
“Conservatives cannot have it both ways, screaming sexist, racist and homophobic slurs at legislators as they vote for health care reform, putting legislators on a violence-inciting ‘Targets’ list, and then simply saying how sorry they are when someone explodes into murder,” declared NOW president Terry O’Neill in a statement emailed to supporters.
Update: Suspicious package at Rep. Giffords’ office “no threat to public safety”
(FNC) — A loud noise has rattled more than 100 people attending a candle light vigil outside the headquarters of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, where authorities were investigating a suspicious package Saturday.
Police department spokesman Lt. Fabian Pacheco said an officer checking Giffords’ office in Tucson had found “a real strange” device that he said resembled a coffee can and had writing on it. Pacheco would not disclose what the writing said.
A bomb squad had been working to render the device safe before the loud noise was heard. Authorities did not say if the noise was caused by contents within the package or from authorities’ efforts to destroy the device and render it safe.
Pacheco said there was no threat to public safety.
Update: Film Critic Roger Ebert joins the Left-wing Palin lynch mob:
Update: Hold onto your seats for the shock of your lives. Olberdouche is blaming (wait for it) . . . Sarah Palin!. . .
Update: Michael Moore adds his mindless bile to the Palin Hatefest:
Posted by ZIP on Saturday, January 8, 2011, at 6:56 pm | 
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Never fail – LIBTURDS are shitting their pants over this, ready to pin it on the tea party and will not stop at anything to pin this on right wing nutjobs.
IF anything right now, this 22 yr old idiot is not 100% right in the head to begin with… mein kampf (left leaning, socialist ideology -how is that right wing??? mmmmm) is one of the shooter’s fav book, including Marx…
Stupid Fking biotch , has got to be kidding ?
yet another deranged liberal nut .
Its a mental illness , I tell you !!
Any excuse — they’ve been trying to remove Palin from the political picture for years.
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If people do not rip this shit for brains Nazi Jane Fonda a new one!!!!
I cant believe the Fking nerve of her !! OMG !!
IM so pissed right now!
bring the wrath of god down on this woman !
Interesting that the shooter and Jane Fonda are no doubt under the same influence. He listed “Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books. I hardly think that one would make the tea party book club, but it seems to have inspired Hanoi Jane well enough.
I refuse to say or type its name.
Lessons on morality from Hanoi Jane? Thanks but no thanks.
The looney-leftists have proven exactly what they are today within minutes after this has crime has happened today by a murdering nutcase bastard who would have already been strung up and hanging from the highest tree.
As soon as it is confirmed that the gunman is not a Tea Party/Palin/Beck/Rush fan, the MSM will drop it like a hot potato, but until that time they will continue with non-stop disinformation trying to overtly & subliminally connect him to the conservatives.
My prayers for all these poor people.
Drudge has a story line up that someone took a shot back at the gunman..
Anybody know of that?
You know what I blame it on the left.
They advocate abortions (murder), they advocate violence, they advocate disruption, they always threaten death to those who don’t support the same ideology they do.
I have more of a case than the left does making this out to be a right wing murder.
My sympathies go out to all the victims and their families.
I wish no violence upon anyone anytime.
This tragedy had divided our nation farther apart than it already was.
The left has turned their uglies selves today and now I really fear that those in power on the left will use this to their advantage.
God bless the innocent victims and God bless our nation.
Fonda, Krugman, Loughner…..birds of a feather.
And fuck Hanoi Jane – Commie sympathizer!
The shooter was an Anarchist. It is very clear after watching his youtube videos and reading his writing.
The people blaming this on “haters” from the right exhibit an astonishing amount of hate themselves.
It’s a safe bet they’re trying to push buttons, so they can grab bits of comments out of context, to push their agenda. Just sayin’ folks, you might want to keep that in mind as you post, regardless of what you think about the morons they’re pushing to the forefront now.
It is interesting to note that they already seem to be scrapping the bottom of the barrel for inflammatory remarks against tea partiers, (Jane Fonda, are they kidding?!!), probably because nobody with a properly working neuron would touch this progressive propaganda with a ten-foot pole after the last dozen attempts to smear Constitution-supporting Americans.
Hmm, haven’t heard from Jimmy Carter yet…that will mark the real bottom of their barrel…
This has more of the makings of a Machiavellian work of art.
Oh and Jane…go away, nobody cares about what you have to say about anything.
can’t wait for the evidence from his home to hit the light.
HS friend: ‘He was left wing, quite liberal’…
Hmmm, the shooter loves the Communist Manifesto and look who’s out there ASAP, Hanoi Jane:
“Big Peace: Speaking of Vietcong victory, and Tom Hayden, tell us what you report on Jane Fonda.
Kengor: Jane Fonda, who married Hayden, was a go-go girl for communism, telling student audiences: “[I]f you would understand what communism was, you would pray on your knees that we would someday be communist.” Jane jetted to Hanoi, where she became a cheerleader for the Vietcong. The pro-Vietcong glamour girl had her face splashed everywhere by an ecstatic communist press, as she grinned aside Vietcong weaponry. The Soviets and North Vietnamese were smitten.”
http://bigpeace.com/stzu/2010/11/01/big-dupes-at-big-peace-progressives-for-obama-and-november-2008-vs-november-2010/
Even faster in the media was Mr. Marxist, AZ Rep. Raul Grijalva, Co-chair of The Progressive [Democrat] Caucus.
Oh yeah, Communist “economist” and supporter of Zerocare’s death panels, Paul Krugman, is blaming this “assassination attempt” on the GOP in NYT.
(h/t Gateway Pundit)
It’s almost like the Communists were prepared for something like this, to deflect things from themselves.
Sarah Palin Discussions
It’s pretty ugly out there…
https://www.facebook.com/board.php?uid=24718773587&status=512
Drudge still shows a headline saying that someone in the crowd shot back at the gunman, and it was linked to this story:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108arizona-giffords-brk.html
But now there is no reference to anyone shooting back…
In other accounts, one person said ti sounded like an automatic weapon, yet one witness claims to have counted 15 shots.
Ever try to count full-auto fire?
Hmmmm…
once its proven beyond a shadow of doubt that this idiot is a leftist mooonbat…we can sit back and wait for the apologies to Palin and the TeaParty from the left.
Ya right.
May God rest those souls and comfort the surviving ones.
of course the shooter is a lefty. 99% of all domestic political violence in this country is perpetrated by the left. the MSM is desperate to create the perception in lazy viewers minds that this is a rightwing nutjob, so that once the evidence that he’s a lefty is indisputable, they can just stop covering it instead of retracting their slanders, thus leaving the impression with lazy viewers that it was a rightwinger. they’ve done this many times before, they do it many more times. it’s a tactic that they use knowingly.
From a twitter feed of a young woman who played in a band with the assailant:
“A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as “left wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.” She also described him as having a lot of friends “until he got alcohol poisoning in ’06″ and dropped out of school. “Mainly loner very philosophical.”
Just don’t let the left-wingnuts put you on the defensive. That’s what they want to do, although if I were them I’m not so sure I would want Jane Fonda leading the charge.
If anything, you should point out that Rep. Giffords was in fact a Blue Dog Democrat, who supported gun rights and also supported strengthening our border security. She even signed an amicus brief on behalf of the lawsuit against the DC gun control law.
So when you get right down to it, there are plenty of reasons a leftard might want to kill her.
Mark Richardson says:
January 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm
My prayers for all these poor people.
Drudge has a story line up that someone took a shot back at the gunman..
Anybody know of that?
Security Guard took a shot at him came from someone at the scene.
I don’t remember where I read it.
Maybe iotw?
http://twitter.com/caitieparker
7:43 EST
# I can’t manage all these media requests & @ replies. Too much too fast, can’t keep up. less than 5 seconds ago via Twitter for iPhone
# This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone
Was this guy ‘too weird’ for the military?
They have high standards nowadays. (and a quality product)
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In my mind most lefties have got it in their mind that the Tea Party/Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck did this. No amount of facts or sources or the kid himself saying he’s a liberal who loves Marx more than life itself will change their mind.
Time to consider how Obama will try and use this to further his agenda.
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/01/how-will-obama-use-the-shooting-of-giffords-to-further-his-agenda.html
I’ve been reading Democratic Underground Forums – first time, I swear! As you’d suspect – this is being pointed at Palin and Beck, the 2 most feared Conservative voices. Also there are a lot of calls for gun control. A couple examples that weren’t modded out:
“I hope Sarah Palin is forced to account for this in stark terms of her being an accessory in an assassination.
What I mean by that, is Sarah Palin facing a death penalty for a capital crime due to her direct involvement in the assassination of an elected official. ”
“The moment I heard this….
… I immediately knew she was a Democrat, just as I know the shooter is a piece of garbage Republican, brainwashed by Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck/Fox News. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the majority of Republicans feel murder is perfectly fine if it’s the enemy (making their pro-life claims ludicrous). These people have no problem with killing anyone who says, does, or thinks things they don’t like.
Let’s expect a lot of nasty remarks from the right-wing on how it’s the DEMOCRATS who are the real murderers/destroyers/terrorists by pushing good people into acts of violence, along with a lot of bullshit about how Giffords somehow had it coming.
Republicans are the problem in this country. Not taxes, not immigration, not pollution, not global warming. Republicans. If they all vanished to Pluto overnight this country would find itself a paradise.”
Thanks for proving my point xavier.
Uh, this should be posted every time some lib brings up Palin’s map:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647
http://larvatusprodeo.net/2011/01/09/lets-call-this-for-what-it-is-terrorism/
Useful idiots in Australia – ready to pin this on the right with no evidence.
Sarah’s got to find herself the top lawyer for slander/libel and get down to business. This guilt by association madness must stop. I hope she doesn’t ignore the slurs. Until someone calls them to account, they’re going to be their old relentless, gutless, factless selves.
bill clinton had tim mcvey the brown muzzie obama has J. Loghner. ya think there is a conspiracy going on. wouldn’t take much to set this up especially when the demonicrats are down ,these commie rat bastards will do anything to destroy the usa.
Does anyone remember when the last time someone from the right went nuts and killed a bunch of people?
I’m having a hard time remembering one?
Sarah Palin is being crucified and she did nothing. She is being blamed as is Beck.
How do people like them get through days like today?
They have got to be so strong.
The assholes are playing mind reader if they assume to know what he watches or listens to. He sounds totally influenced by Alex Jones, so, perhaps lets place blame on him.
The list of US Presidential assassins can be broken down into two basic groups; Anarchist/Socialist, and Insane.
No one else has ever tried to assassinate a US President.
My heart goes out to the familys to those killed today, And Congresswoman Gilford is in my Prayers Also. As much as I detest Democrates, Liberals, Communists, Not Like This. In handcuffs after Indictment, HELL yes, With Violence, Hell NO. The deepest pit of hell is to good for this little Shitbag.
Apparently Psycho Schultz is trying to pin it on the Tea Parties and Republicans “fear mongering”. From the Ed Schultz blog:
“I will be the first to blame the GOP type Fear Mongering for this tragic event. I want it on record that the GOP Fear Mongering, Scare Tactics, spreading lies, parrot phrases like “Job Killing” HealthCare, & the rest of their political game playing is now leading to Tragic Violence. I am calling the Republican out on it & demanding they STOP! Can’t you hear the American People screaming STOP Mr. Boehner? You have blood on your hands now! Start telling the truth & start working for the good of the country for a change!”
Stay classy Ed.
Does anyone really know what the left wants???
What do they want going after Beck and Palin?
To shut them up to stop them from loving their Country.
These people wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a real Communist controlled Country.
Don’t they think that sooner or later they will come after their money too?
They think because they are rich and helping obama they will be rewarded and left to continue on their own.
Not going to happen .. The Rick left will lose everything too.
There will never be enough money or power to satisfy the likes of Soros or obama.
Look at the amount of Money Michelle spent this year.
Think that Bitch is going to be happy Jane has more money then she “Nope”.
It will go from bad to worse. the only think we will have to look forward to is their fall to the bottom with us.
They need to think. Obama is a tyrant and one if not the most evil man alive right now.
He is a demon, Michelle is a racist as is obama.. The left will get their Marxist Government with a twist.
No one will be safe.
RICH LEFT… didn’t check the post had to run off real fast. sorry for the spelling and typos.
I thought Krugman was suppose to be an economist, but he is just proving that he is the political hack that he is.
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=2z&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=giffords+palin&oq=giffords
look at what gifford palin shows in google, what a friggin mess.
this will affect (even though shes not involved at all) palins reputation, as it possibly might have been done for.
Disgusting in all aspects.
The media’s narrative will be to blame this on the right…just like they always do and give lip service to those like that traitor Fonda and left wing cranks eager to deflect this whole thing on conservatives. The problem is that since so many people are so ill advised that the media and its devious agenda will be bought by these narrow minded nit wits. It’s a damn shame…
William Kane
I was just looking for confirmation as well. Daily Kos blames the shooting on AZ’s concealed carry law. Because don’t all criminals follow the letter of the law?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/8/934334/-New-Arizona-gun-law-allows-concealed-weapons-without-permit
@whthfk
You’re right. If I didn’t live here too I’d say fuck ‘em – let them get what they are asking for. Their real problem is they need us – the working, tax paying class – to pay for government and welfare. The philosophy they espouse would fail if put into action.
“Their real problem is they need us”
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It’s ‘cognitive dissonance’. Their reality would be shattered if there is no one around to blame their failures on.
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We are going to lose the argument in the press because we are conservatives.
We are going to be blamed for this killing because we are conservatives.
We are not going to be able to do a damn thing about it because we are conservatives.
Get used to it.
Andrew
Sad, but true.
However, we may not lose the argument, but we will be blamed.
ZIP says:
January 8, 2011 at 8:13 pm
William Kane
But now there is no reference to anyone shooting back…
In other accounts, one person said ti sounded like an automatic weapon, yet one witness claims to have counted 15 shots.
I was just looking for confirmation as well. Daily Kos blames the shooting on AZ’s concealed carry law. Because don’t all criminals follow the letter of the law?
ZIP:
As far as I know, AZ has a concealed carry law, but they also allow OPEN carry.
Get well wishes to the wounded, and rest in peace to the dead.
Jane Fonda, when you die, I hope it is VERY slow, and VERY painful, and you are all ALONE!!!!!!!!!!
KOS better shut his damned mouth because he has a lot to answer for – Mr. “Hide the incriminating targets after I get called on them because I had the fool idea to publicly accuse Sarah Palin for the shootings”
whthfk says:
January 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Not a bunch of people, just one. When George “Tiller the Killer” was shot.
A lot of comments on other sites are claiming the shooter was openly gay. Is this true?
Hanoi Jane and the libtards orchestrated this whole thing just to get at Sarah Palin.
@Rob:
Krugman’s always been a political hack in economist’s clothing. He was pushing the “New Economy” in the 90′s, then the moment the economy started to crash, he jumped onto the “liquidity trap” bandwagon.
At best, the most that can be said for the guy is that he took other economist’s theories and dumbed them down (or perhaps more correctly, removed the academic language) enough for the average person to feel like they had an understanding of market mechanisms. That turned him into a “genius”, one pushed by Wall Street, because as they pointed Krugman to each “brilliant” article, they took contrary positions, and made a freakin’ fortune as the guppies piled on.
When the bottom inevitably fell out of each market sector a few weeks after his articles pumped them up, he always had a scapegoat, most notably GWB, but also anyone not an extreme leftist, thus absolving himself of any blame.
Now that the market’s crashed and most people have been wiped out by morons like Krugman, there’s little left for him to do, aside from pushing Obama’s “recovery”, and attack non-progressives head-on.
IM
They’re getting that from the Daily Kos post, which doesn’t appear to be him.
When I get some free time I’m gonna try and find out when he scrubbed that post. If it was today it certainly implies guilt. A lot of it.
Xavier.
I was thinking the same thing.
They need us to keep them free and have no clue about it…
I think that’s the real reason we all call them dumb libatards… The bottom line is without us they would have gone down along time ago and don’t even know it.
It’s all about the theory not the reality of what it would take to keep a Country as large as ours under tight Military Dictator control.
If George Soros and Jane, Obama and all the other progressive Gore, Clintons want to have the top rich take care of everyone else.
Then they should be willing to give over their money too.
Can’t have it both ways…
ZIP and others, yes your right. I lived in Zona for awhile,conceal carry, open carry, and also anyone is allowed to have a loaded one in the car/truck with out a conceal carry permit if its in a holster. I always kept one in a holster zip tied to the stearing column.
I can not believe they are still trying to blame this on the ” vitriol” in the country.
The Tuscon AZ Sheriff, is blaming politics in the country saying,
“Unbalanced people.. with the vitriol , when talking about tearing down the Government… the anger the hatred in this country is getting to be outrageous. Were turning into a country of bigots ”
Excuse me but now its America’s fault ???????
WTF?
He also claims that AZ is becoming the center for this bigotry .
NICE , Thanks Sheriff.
How about talk about fking mentally ill shitheads with guns ?
Not Bloggers and Americans folks expressing free speech
I hope someone gets that news brief on Youtube.
you have to see it to believe it .
Can anyone confirm the shooter was a libtard? Imma get me some sweet sweet trollin in tonite!
BTW just watched Cat Ballou last night. Damn she was smokin’ hot before she turned commie. Someone on this blog once said. “Where’s the magic stroke fairy when you need him?”
Skydiver says:
January 8, 2011 at 8:23 pm
“Jane Fonda, when you die, I hope it is VERY slow, and VERY painful, and you are all ALONE!!!!!!!!!!”
I am going to go out on a really big limb here and risk being banned from society and the internets for the rest of my life.
jane fonda should have been fucked to death by a phallic symbol impregnated with 16p nails, coated in broken glass and sand and covered in black mamba venom 30 years ago. And if not that, she should be getting ass pounded by inmates doing life in Leavenworth, KS.
Sorry, I couldn’t come up with a polite way to say that.
Hey zip
that same sheriff is saying they have had police contact with him in the past and that he has made threats in the past.
Not to or about the congresswoman but
when asked to who, he said to others , to KILL .
MY question is ……… why was he still on the streets?
I just saw a comment on hillbuzz that said the Sheriff is now trying to imply that Jared Loughner isn’t the killer…
Don’t know how accurate that might be, but has this “tea partier” outlived his usefulness, now that his politics are streaming far and wide on the web? Time for the left to toss him aside and hunt another, more “agreeable” scapegoat?
Lord help us all…
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/identify-instances-where-the-leftist-media-tried-to-pin-something-on-the-tea-party-where-it-ended-up-being-muslims-or-leftists-who-committed-those-crimes/#comment-331227
After the positive week the conservatives had last week with the swearing in and all, there was no reason for anyone from the Tea Party or RNC to go off in this fashion. One can only assume that that someone that is nuts and not necessarily to the right.
To try and pin it on Palin or Beck is desperation on the liberals part to use this as momentum. That anyone would use this situation for political gain is appalling and extremely distasteful.
Jared Loughner was a registered Democrat. Hated the Constitution. Hated the flag. Hated God. Shot a Republican judge dead.
Via Michelle Malkin.
He was a nut:
The man linked to the shooting today of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others is 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Associated Press reported.
Police have surrounded a house at 7700 N. Soledad Ave., which is the address listed by a man with the same name on a variety of online accounts and in the volunteer registry for the 2010 Tucson Festival of Books. The home is near West Magee Road and North Thornydale Road on the northwest side, about five miles from the shooting scene.
A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”
“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.
Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident…
…The online accounts also contain bizarre discussions of a new currency and literacy, as well as threatening and despairing messages.
“WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow …. why doesn’t anyone talk to me?..” he posted on MySpace Dec. 14.
On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”
In a posting on YouTube, Loughner wrote repeatedly about a new currency.
“I’m thinking of creating a new currency,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.”
He also wrote repeatedly about literacy. In a written message on YouTube, Loughner said: “The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate — hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.”
In a message posted on his MySpace account, titled “Goodbye friends,” Loughner said: “Dear friends…please don’t be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven’t talked to one person who is literate.” It was unclear when it was posted.
In a MySpace profile, Loughner said “My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college.”
He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. But he also includes a broad variety of other titles, including: “Animal Farm,” “Brave New World,” “To Kill a Mockingbird,” and “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.
Over the past couple of weeks the LEFT has been calling for RIOTS in the Streets, and REVOLUTION. Only the crazies will rise to their calls. Now, someone did, and the RIGHT is getting blamed.
Lets find out who he really was. From what I have seen so far, he is stating that people in the 8th district (his district and Giffords) are not very smart, don’t even have good grammar. That isn’t to say they don’t speak English, as in Foreign speaking. It sounds like he is saying that the people, in general, are illiterate. That sure sounds like what a lot of lefties think of the uneducated and “unwashed masses” in middle America. It will be interesting to see where this goes!
I pray that Gabby Gifford will come out of this to continue serving our country. She is great!
@Iron Maiden:
And the judge was appointed by GWB…which means Obama will “just have to” use this tragedy as a reason to appoint a new judge that’s so far left that Pelosi will look like a moderate…and the still Dem/RINO senate will rocket through the nomination like it’s a wonderful thing.
Arizona’s Reichstag?
Is that sheriff a democrap ????????
He sure sounds like one. He keeps going on about , not down playing all the VITRIOL in this country.
“everyone thinks is free speech but it does have consequences.”
He’s got to be a democrap.
Last I heard he said they didnt have a MOTIVE .
So whats he going on about this “vitriol” ?????
I’ll tell what they are going to play this up to shut us up.
@Florida Girl–Agreed! Shut us up, and sure as hell there will be something about GUN CONTROL!
The Left will always have a speed advantage with their message, because facts never matter to them. Their message is the same even if no facts support their propaganda.
It does not matter in the slightest to them that here is another violent Lefty responsible, as is almost always the case, and the violence they claim for the right is practically non-existent.
Why? Because Communists LOVE to lie, and that includes their dupes. They can only survive by the lie.
On the other hand, I’ve been amazed at how Conservatives, like those here at WZ, kept seeking facts before assigning blame. We may have speculated, but we were still somewhat cautious, and we prayed a lot for the victims. And who could blame our speculation given the nearly perfect track record of Leftist violence and peacefulness of the Tea Party movement? But within an hour or so, the facts had emerged on the net.
Our strength will always be in the facts. That’s how we will win arguments. But facts take longer than lies. So hang in there when news breaks, gather the facts, then run with them, and know your enemy will always be a little faster with lies, but they’ll have to hide eventually from the truth.
Wow, they’re spinning this so hard I’m starting to get dizzy. Not to ever say anything negative about someone who’s been a victim, but some outlets are now trying to imply that the reason she was attacked was because she’s a rising star in the Dem party, and a potential first or second female President.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/09/gabrielle-giffords-profile
Firedoglake and Krugman are starting the damage control by blaming Palin who apparently made the Atheistic, Anarchist, left-wing loon kill 5 people because of a ad she post 12 months ago. Yawn.
“Does anyone really know what the left wants???”
Power, Whtf. Complete power to shape the nation into what ever kind of socialist/forcibly collectivist hellhole along the lines of what ever despot they seek to imitate this time around.
BTW – wasn’t it O who said if they push, we push back harder? If they carry a knife, we carry a gun? I guess Loughan was listening. Wasn’t it also our POTUS who advised people to reward their friends and punish their enemies?
Pressing so hard I think they’ll actually break this time. Course in the end trying to spend this with the “seriousness of the charge” approach will likely lose many a job when the dust clears and the truth come out. Likely trough some officers who actually get the evidence that the sheriff will either toss or attempt to destroy.
Given the….. polarization we are seeing “it” this new distraction of “our” READ America’s destruction, is an contrivance for MARTIAL LAW being brought to bear! Now if you idiots on both sides of the same body politic do not wake up and stop in fighting and bickering. then enjoy your new “sociofascicommunistbankocracy” OF DYSTOPIA! So I for one feel shame that most the many are too stupid to see it and are falling right into the center of it all! Damn fools, you will blow it all away and burn it all down wont you?
GO Zip! Track that mutha KOS down.
whthfk
I believe that Ocaca is meeting with his buddies in the coup, drinking alcohol and smoking cigars, toasting their good “luck”.
Personally, I believe if Ocaca is not behind this directly, he set up the environment to make it happen. Either way, Ocaca is in this up to the top of his black/gray hairs on the top of his head.
And the screeching of Fonda, beyond the pale. The only good thing I can see coming out of this tragedy is that it fully unmasks the Left as a group of the most immoral, unethical, despicable, insane enemies of The People and the Constitution in this country and Ocaca is their god, savior, messiah and Master.
What they have revealed with this is they are capable of doing anything, lie, cheat and steal, violence, treachery and treason to get their way.
We see the REAL enemy. They have exposed themselves.
Apparently word’s gotten out that the shooter was a libtard. Tactics have changed:
(Poster 1) the shooter was a flag burner…..not a tea party person.
(Poster 2)…and therefore not affected by the milieu of hatred and violence created created by tea party?
7:39 PM ET Suspicious Package At Giffords Office
According to KGUN: Giffords’ Tucson office has been evacuated due to a suspicious package.
zip
here’s the vid of lefty sheriff
http://blip.tv/file/4608706?utm_source=player_embedded
also on glen beck but not loading right now .
Sorry for the bad spelling i’m in a hurry = )
and bloods shooting out of my eyes i’m so pissed !
Guess it would be a good thing for congress not to be in next week, I understand why they are doing this, but if they think they are going to postpone the leftists agenda screeching because of what happened today, they are sadly mistaken.
Agenda always with them, first and foremost.
They should have repealed OCare before the State of the Union, hope they still do that.
zip vid’s not showing
of the sheriff .
I just heard on the http://www.kold.com site that there was allegedly a neighbor who sold their home near the shooter’s family’s house because the shooter’s dad was crazy. The Leftards have tired to use to blame Republicans and Tea Party people for this atrocity. It’s just plain evil.
Another question – was the shooter a registered Democrat?
Well said, R-Bob.
Just as they exposed themselves in one way worse than the previous outrage over the course of the last year or two, the evil of the Left is open like a gaping sore now, too awful to hide. It will be obvious by tomorrow that their propaganda tactics were as brutal as that of the worst Communist regime. This event and their response hurt their credibility even further.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the next line of attack by the Progressive spin doctors is to blame the kid’s mental illness on Republicans, Tea Party people, and a certain previous Republican President whose middle initial is “W”.
Zip -
Went to the AP link with the Palin cited 4x … Either I’m missing the screen cap you have posted while I read or the AP has done that “edit” thingy without noting they edited an article … like they are notorious for.
I’ll re-read again …
REAL Bob..
What do you think will happen next.
I agree obama is having a great time over this and they are counting off all the ways they will screw us in the name of safety.
I expect him to push for Guns thats a given.
I’m just not sure what else he will go after to take away our freedoms in the name of Safety.
Janet has sent Homeland security in to help out (ha,ha) sarc.
I just can’t imagine what’s going to be coming at us next.
Florida Girl
Try reloading, I think the video is being overloaded (being hosted by The Blaze)
Notice how Hanoi Jane uses a 40+ year old picture of herself on her tweets. Maybe she thinks she’s still “fighting” the Vietnam war?
Stop it people. Lets let the kettle go down to a simmer.
By next week, we will know what really happened. Just relax for now.
Shit, my brain hurts, and all the talking heads are spooging all over themselves. Biggest cum cleanup so far this year. And it is only January.
Give it a rest.
This outta drive lefties nuts even further off the deep end:
Arizona Suspect Likely Facing Death Penalty for Fatally Shooting Federal Judge
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-suspect-likely-facing-death-penalty-fatally-shooting-federal-judge/
So, will they show their hypocrisy even more by pushing for the death penalty for someone who shot “their representative”, or will they prefer to keep him alive so they can harp on this incident for decades to come?
Maggie
Looks like NPR swapped their AP article for a different one. I found a different source for the same article. Re-linked it.
Andrew
An ice cold beer is in order …
ER
I noticed the same thing. Trying to relive her glory years?
BTW, Thanks for the heads-up, Maggie.
A party that does not shun Bill Ayers and promotes him to a position of power to educate youngsters does not even get to comment on political violence.
We have been treated to a week where the Dems recoiled from the reading of the Constitution like a bunch of vampires from garlic and where they have jumped to conclusions they cannot possibly have proof of at this time and used a tragedy to try to skewer their political enemies. That is just who they are.
How a nation that has done all of the great things this one has done can suffer such an irresponsible press corp will be a mystery for the ages.
Ok, I’m pretty sure I hate this Sheriff ..
What the hell is he going on about people on the Radio and certain People on TV ?
He pretty much came out and blamed Beck,Rush and Palin.
This man needs to voted out of office or kicked out.
How dare he poll a politico stunt like this when a bunch of people died and other injured.
That man is a Asshole.
Did anyone catch all that… I’m so pissed right now.
7:25 pm 01/08/2010 http://www.kold.com just now finds the shooter’s youtube videos.
whthfk
You’re certainly not the only one. My fucking head is exploding.
How can Sweet Jane blame Glen Beck for this!!
He’s way to smart to shoot a damnocrat in the head when most everybody knows their ttiny little brains are in their ass!
@whthfk, that Sheriff of Pima County IS a DEMONCRAT.
@ER:
Noticed the same thing, even with Gabrielle Gifford’s images on pro-Dem sites. Perhaps an attempt to push the usual “young, helpless victim” modus operandi, while appealing to their amazingly perverted base of drooling idiots?
Recall this Sheriff…he is obviously so partisan that he cannot serve the populace fairly. Good bye asswhipe
A little good news:
Dr. Peter Rhee, trauma director at UMC, told reporters that the bullet went through her brain, but he said she was responsive to doctors’ commands.
Police are now looking for a white male in his 50′s. They have a picture.
ok, thanks zip .
********
I’m trying to get vid of that same sheriff, when he says that the suspect had contact with the law before and made threats . TO KILL
this is a guy with a gun license ?????
SO THEY HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE THAT HE WAS A DANGER .
Fucking nice sheriff!!
I’m telling you that better be the headlines tomorrow.
How the law FAILED the congresswoman . NOT this shit
about sarah palin , tea party of Glenn Beck
If any finds that vid post that shit !
God, watch over all of us! Those who believe will be praying hard tonight, especially for the Congresswoman, her family, friends, and the families and friends of those who were injured and murdered. We lost a great Judge, and an innocent child, along with other hard working Americans.
Pray for Gabby’s father, who stated that the whole TEA PARTY was her enemy, so he will realize that competition in elections, and differences of opinion that lead to healthy discourse, are good for our way of government. The tragic events that occurred today are not the norm. Interacting in politics, and disagreeing with others is going to happen with 300 million people living in one nation. This behavior does not lead to irrational actions or behavior unless the perpetrator is irrational to begin with.
All of this, today, because this guy fell through the cracks. He had obvious problems, and in the last month or so, his rhetoric seemed to be escalating. How did nobody notice him?
Zip
The more I think about this guy the madder I get..
He is a Sheriff he should not get up at a news conference and start blaming the Right..
This man sickens me.. He should have spoke about the people injured and those who died and about what they plan to do and try to keep people settled down, instead he is feeding the left and trying to push his hateful political view on everyone. Great Fucking Guy.
idahosauce
Exactly, how can such a lefty partizan hack who exploits this tragedy be expected to uphold the law is beyond me.
Tucson is a hot bed where the Communists gather. It looks like Gifford didn’t meet the Pinko’s expectations.
It’s a very sad day for Gifford and for the rest of the Country. All you see in the news It’s Palin’s Fault, It’s the Tea Parties Fault, It’s Glenn Becks Fault.
Bull Crap! It the the Pinko Commies Fault!
My first thought about the Sheriff was “Is he trying to position himself for Gifford’s seat?” by showing the loony left that he’s one of them, and willing to do anything to push their agenda?
But maybe that’s just me being irritated at a guy who’s more concerned about political positioning than doing his job and making sure that he does the best job he can to serve the community and bring some comfort to Gifford’s family by making sure justice is served.
Sheriffs contract information.
http://pimasheriff.org/about-us/meet-the-sheriff/
FUCK JANE FONDA!!!!
Her Ass should have been thrusted into a Super Max the second she hit American Soil.
In my opinion, she has no right to even speak. After that shit she pulled with the V.C.
This is a person who truly pisses me off.
The first thing I noticed about this whole story is this piece of trash sheriff doing a “Wellstone” as this woman lies in the hospital. This is the piece of trash sheriff who promised not to enforce the law, if his little leftist ass doesn’t like the law.
It’s almost as if this sheriff wishes this Representative died, so he could have more camera time, blasting free speech.
At least Wellstone’s body was cold, before the leftist trash swarmed.
ZIP says:
January 8, 2011 at 9:25 pm
BTW, Thanks for the heads-up, Maggie.
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n/p … My experience with (AP) is they DO ‘edit’ without noting such on stories. Which is probably why they want to eventually sue bloggers for ‘copying’ their articles … makes them look even worse than they are.
I say people need to contact the Mayor and go after the Sheriff let them know we do not pt up with slander .. Thats what it is..
This man needs to lose his job. He is such a liberal douche bag it’s unbelievable.
Check out the Hot Air site, which quotes an AP article that the whacked nutjob that did this had posted some of his favorite books, which include “… The Communist Manifesto, … Mein Kampf…” Even our “evil, bloodthirsty military (to quote typical Lib descriptions, at least) rejected this human aberration’s attempt to enlist, sending him back out the door he walked in. So much for that angle, too.
Yup, sounds like a typical right-wing gun-loving conservative zealot, doesn’t it?
Expect this to die a quick death when the MSM discover he doesn’t fit their Liberal “easily-manipulated-conservative-moron” meme. Once they find out they can’t pin the blame on the usual conservative punching bags for motivating this murder’s hate-filled massacre, he’ll suddenly morph into some poor, tortured soul needing help.
Anybody besides me notice Obama’s speech concerning this matter included a lot of head turning to his two totuses?
@Fishy Commentator
probably had his arm twisted to keep his eye on his prompt lest he make himself look like an idiot..again. can’t have him flinging accusations again can we?
The Sheriff is saying the kid is not insane but “unstable”. He is excusing the murderous rampage this kid did and blaming it on, it would seem, conservatives.
Wow! So he’s a sheriff AND a trained psychologist? <—– I'm sure the judge with ask this question.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/
Looks like the chubby pony tailed blogger is making an ass out of himself blaming the Right, Teapartiers, etc…
@gastorgrab, This sheriff actually said, “I’m not a trained psychologist, but I don’t think the kid is insane, but unstable.”
Or something very close to that. But then again, I have had psych profs who, it later turned out who were (considering the one I am thinking of hypnotized his female clients and had sex with them) CRAZY!
So, if Fonda says it’s OK to blame Palin and Beck for violence because they spoke out against Giffords, does that mean we can blame her for the Vietnam deaths?
davidr -
I do …
Oh, and I blame Fonda for her friends that caused the 4 deaths at Kent State U. in 1970.
And I blame Fonda for the Khmer Rouge killing fields …
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png
Looks like daily kos put bullseye on rep back in o8
Im not sure my last post went up.
or did I go over my allotted posts for the day, hehehe
maybe my cussin, or bad grammar hehe shitty spelling ?
Oh well I’m trying again . Sorry if its a re post .
Well I’ve certainly learned the value of screencaps and download helper to snag those posts, articles, and videos before they’re scrubbed. A *lot* of comments were modded out on the libtard forums – notice that none were modded here? That really highlights the difference between ideologues: The ends justify the means vs. the truth shall set you free.
I know everyone here is sorry this tragedy occurred. And, while it would be insensitive to speak of anything good coming out of this, I can only hope that the 10-15% of folks in the middle were paying attention to the behavior of the MSM and liberal bloggers.
Everybody remember that crazy teabagger who flew his plane into a Texas IRS building? You don’t?
That’s because he was found to be a leftard after initial reports indicated he was a disgruntled wingnut. Story was shut down fast, and that’s what’s going to happen here. When mentioned, the shooter will become “a disturbed man who disagreed with Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ political values”, thus insinuating and reinforcing the illusion of right wing violence.
Time to put the troll mask on, it’s going to be a goood night.
@Iron Maiden : I am not sure that the shooter was “openly gay”, all I have read was something ( think) he posted about prostitutes. Concerning the video he made on Yourtube.. he has a large plastic garbage bag on his legs, a hoody, and a mask that I think is supposed to looks something like the masks worn by the band Slipknot and is playing a song by the band Drowning Pool called “Let The Bodies Hit The Floor”.
The MSM’s and rabble of leftist cohorts chosen narrative of a Palin/Beck fueled tea-party killer should come as no surprise to anyone. As stated earlier they will beat this drum until it becomes abundantly clear that this guy was a leftist at which point he’ll cease to be a right-wing nut and simply become a nut.
I WILL remember all those elected to a position of authority and responsibility that have used this assassination attempt to slander and libel their opponents in the most reckless and irresponsible manner. They have utterly failed as leaders and as human beings.
Wasn’t it Obama who said to get it people’s faces. And told people, if they bring a knife we bring a gun? Ya think that might have been ill advised?
Zip -
@ Twitter:
Patterico RT @Fox11NewsAZ: Family friend says Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.
Looks like the Demonrats are running another political funeral.
They want hate speech laws, the FCC to remove Talk Radio and FOX News and they want Republicans to be fearful of talking about the constitution and repealing health care. Republicans should tell them when they return to session to stop trying to politically profit from the blood spilt by a mad man. Someone should also raise holy you know what over the left hate on Palin as they ARE trying to get her killed by one of their other minions.
This shooter was an atheist. Obama and his administration will use this to go after his political opposition as domestic terroistsl, the second amendment and Chrsitians. They are so predictable and Republicans had better stand up and yell back at them and stop them for persecuting Republicans. Rinos had best not use this to come after their poltiical oppostion in the party too, or they will make things much, much worse for everybody.
I was reading the rantings of the shooter from the Drudge link to Youtube. He sounds like Mark David Chapman. Another mentally ill nutball obsessed with mind control. I don’t see any political connection…Is he left or right? Hard to say. He appears to be a mental case like Chapman and Hinckley.
That a pinhead like Hanoi Jane would try and pass the blame to someone other than the shooter is not surprising. Barbarella the ditz has become a parody of the real Hanoi Jane.
No doubt GenitalNippleatono will use this as an excuse to dig deeper into people’s junk and spread her burgeoning police state to more venues.
@ Zip:
That skank never had any “glory years” to “relive.”
The Sheriff of Pima County said this kid made death threats…. (why wasn’t he arrested?!!?!) http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824904120110109
Wow, all the leftist ghouls are out spouting their propaganda. They think that shouting lies means the truth won’t get out. They are going to have big prob’s when they try to argue for anything because of this and it’s pointed out that the facts don’t fit their narrative.
But, hey, keep it up. This is gonna go as well as the other lies they got their Commie asses kicked for last November.
Can anyone offer any indication or evidence that Jared’s primary target was not Judge Roll?
The Gun Grabbers are going to spin this so hard, it will make a turbine engine at power, look like it is standing still.
Shit like this could possibly spark off a Revolution.
@Fish thats WHAT I WANT TO KNOW !!!!
He was also kicked out of collage back in sept of 2010 for being a nut.
He had to get mental help to come back!!
and this shit for brains had a license to carry a GUN ???
Whos WRONG HERE ?? Tea Party who are defending liberty and freedom or the law that let him keep a weapon ?? after saying he would KILL !!!!!!!!!
WTF am I on another Planet?
FYI : race baiter Al Sharpton is on Geraldo right now. Cant wait to hear what he has to say.
@ zip , thanks for sending my blood pressure back up with the Obbie vid. ( Obbie’s the biggest shit for brains I’ve ever heard … NO maybe ED)
Time for another shot (Grey Goose this time ! )
Good point, Piglet.
Why wasn’t this a Leftist target of a Bush.-appointed judge and a more moderate Dem? Sure looks like it.
Could Olbermann et al, even get out of bed in the morning if it weren’t for Sarah Palin..
They all have the same deranged fetish with her.. poor souls..
That’s what I’m thinking, Piglet. If there is a second shooter — I’ll bet they got their target, the federal judge. Wonder if our detectives are doing any forensics on the bullets possibly discharged from separate guns? Wonder if our country has any competent investigators in place?
Someone please assure us that we do…
SPEAKING OF CROSS HAIRS
Jd Hayworth just brought up how the dems put cross-hairs on him .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA
So how is Sarah wrong .
and her ad was NOTHING like this !!!!!!
Well, looks like this kid has been tried and convicted already. The sheriff and msm have said he is the trigger man. Where are the eyewitnesses? Where is the raw cell phone video that usually accompanies large crowd events?
I’ve had the TV reports on all day and I have seen nothing but accusation and speculation. Seems Loughter was tackeled by someone in the crowd. Who? Where’s the account and interview of that taking place?
Reminds me of the day JFK was assassinated and the day when I saw Lee Harvey Oswald killed on live TV. Seems strangely familiar . Just say’n.
whthfk says: What do you think will happen next?
I can’t say anything specific but what I do know is that Ocaca laid the groundwork for this to happen. If not him, somebody in his cabal is a very astute person at assessing the weaknesses of others and right now, they’re playing turncoats like Fonda like the cheap whore she is as well as the rest of the restive Left.
My guess is that now that he’s seen success with his methods, he’ll just calmly and methodically continue with them to see if he can make the environment so toxic, that we will see more and more assassinations. This is something, you may recall, I predicted over a year ago.
You may also recall that I have repeatedly said, even before he was installed, that this man will get a taste for blood like no other president in OUR history, and few other villians in history.
This man Ocaca (liberally translated it means “man-turd”), like Hitler, Stalin and Mao before him, doesn’t just thrive on the death of other people, it energizes and gives meaning to his vapid, pointless, meritless life. It feeds his power over others.
Imagine, if you will (with apologies to Rod Serling), that Ocaca believes himself to be a god. No, check that. God Himself. As president, he now has the power, which he believes he deserves, to decide who lives and who dies. That makes him a “god” and justifies his existence. Ocaca actually believes, falsely, of course, that he deserves not just this power, but the recognition to the entire world that he has this power and is this powerful. He has the power of life and death over you. That fulfills his fantasy that he is superior to you and everyone else in the entire world.
Ocaca truly believes that his destiny is to rule the world. He has convinced himself that he IS God. And we should be afraid. Of him. And we should be but not the way he sees it.
What all this causes me to conclude is that I think he will continue to calmly tighten the noose around our necks until he has full dictatorial control over us and our country, then the world. He will use this tragedy in little ways to justify each and every step, never getting “too big for his britches” so much so that it will alarm us into fighting back.
That’s why I have steadfastly disagreed with all those fearing martial law. He knows too well that it would cause an immediate backlash. So it’s going to be slow and methodical like boiling a frog until it dies. We die. When death comes, in his mind, people will be too weak to fight it, and those who are part of him, will rejoice.
This is also one of the reasons I rail against the SS/Secret Service for NOT doing their job of removing a usurper and clearly a dictator in all but public acknoledgement. I consider too many inside the SS to be traitors also, or simply so delusional, they do not see the crimes taking place before their very eyes. I put the congress, the governors and many others in positions of power delusional and traitors as well. But, I guess God simply wants this to play out, or, this is simply the way it must happen.
The People are waking up, and they are being attacked from every corner for waking up. We are at THE crossroads of history. It’s not coming. It’s here. Now. Today. And it’s up to us to fight, or give up and die.
Ocaca will never stop. He will NOT compromise. He will destroy this country and us with it. Then, he will turn on the world.
So that’s what I think is going to happen. For him, one step at a time. For us, one death at a time. Until he and his overlords and followers are stopped permanently. It is THE battle of RIGHT vs. WRONG. It is the War of GOOD vs. EVIL. It is the War, the ultimate War of Life and Freedom, or Slavery and Death. And we are here to witness it.
If Ocaca is removed from power, as with Hitler before him, there will be a period when his acolytes will continue his war, but they will ultimately lose because Good always defeats Evil, eventually.
But I fear that if something is not done soon, within the next year or two, we are doomed to an even more frightful War of Destruction. Just as many in Germany, and France before them with Napoleon, many people see what is happening and understand what must be done to save humanity. But the question now, today, at this very moment, will We The People have the clear thinking and courage to stop it now before it gets much worse.
That’s what I think.
Excuse the misspelling-I meant tackled.
mcmung — it does seem eerily similar. This kid may the fall guy with the smoking gun. If so, his conviction was locked tight with the documentation at the community college, etc. Seems too premeditated to have been solely committed by a 22-yr-old.
Also, how does this one kid take out sooo many people with one gun while being tackled. Even if it is a semi weapon-just doesn’t add up to me.
The Fort Hood Islamic Jihad Terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan had only one revolver and one semi-auto hand gun who murdered 14* and wounded another 30 and attempted to kill 2 others. The bravery of a few, today, undoubtedly saved others from getting killed.
* 14 because one of the killed was pregnant.
@Florida Girl, I am not sure if there are “special” gun laws in Tuscon or AZ, but they really dropped the ball in this kid and I have a feeling that Sheriff will be resigning soon. Otherwise, as long as his background check didn’t show a criminal record (or I think psychiatric problems, one would think), he could buy a gun. Here’s the FBI’s info on it http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/nics
This Sheriff needs to resign and all the other people in that office who dropped the ball on this kid.
If the sheriff knew this guy was making death threats, and did nothing about it……
This is just another sick example of the lefts idea of bipartisanship. i.e. blame the right. This is also why one should never believe anything they say or write.
I still can’t believe how this has turned into a Palin-bashing event by the left.
Fuck them. Fuck them. Fuck them.
And one more time. Fuck them.
mcmung says:
January 8, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Also, how does this one kid take out sooo many people with one gun while being tackled. Even if it is a semi weapon-just doesn’t add up to me.
He used a Glock 19 9mm, with a 33 rd extended clip. He could have gotten enough lead flying before the tackle occurred.
Let’s sum up.
IRS plane crasher – liberal
Pentagon shooter – liberal
Discovery shooter – liberal
PTA V for Vendetta shooter – liberal
Jared Lee Loughner – Anarchist
The only act of similar violence in the past 10-15 years from the “right wing” was the abortion doctor who was killed.
Who’s rhetoric is responsible for violence?
It’s been a bad day..
This guy had obvious problems, and in the last month or so, his rants seem to be getting crazier …and no one did anything?
Is it me or the Sheriff, needs to worry more about being there for this family and getting justice then all the rhetoric?
I will be praying , especially for the Congresswoman, her family, friends, and the families and friends of those who were injured and died. This is horrible and with the spin doctors at work I am sure will be spinning out of control.
Piglet-U93 says:
January 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Can anyone offer any indication or evidence that Jared’s primary target was not Judge Roll?
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I thought that earlier too, but seeing his ‘movements’ from the day he wasn’t exactly scheduled to be there at that time. Sort of wrong place at wrong time … unless the shooter was stalking and following him.
As to the Palin bashing:
1) they’re shooting themselves squarely in the foot on this and it will backfire big time. Unless this guy has a shrine built in his room to Palin I’d wager he hates her as much as he evidently hates Giffords. The problem with “strawmen” is that it only takes one spark to burn it down.
2) if Palin is so dumb, stupid, ignorant, comical, laughable, and no threat at all WHY is it so important now to “throwdown” the gun at her feet by these people? The left works too damn hard to bury her if she’s worth nothing …
Maggie,
I tend to agree all the Palin bashing will backfire. I am not a particular fan , but they do work way too hard if she is no threat. Very interesting actually how they are spinning this out of control.
Gabrielle Gifford and the Federal Judge had it coming. Congress and our political “machine” is turning this country to crap. Inflation by unregulated FED, BAILOUTS, Tax cuts for the RICH, soldiers (middle class/poor) killed for lies that are based on corporations and the rich wanting oil holdings in the middle east, Wikileaks showing the evil nature of our government like spying, public and federal employees earning more than private, the Chinese, Russians and previously many of the Middle East dropped the US dollar, mainstream news like CNN, MSNBC avoid topics like these in mainstream media, this young man was brave.
As for the one victim a 10 year old child, I do not condone hurting a child, ever, but things are going to get worse before getting better, if possible at this point. For those about to take on the WRONGDOERS, I understand but please watch out for the children. As adults, we all got it coming, like in the movie Unforgiven. Americans are not like the French, we do not make large demonstrations. Instead we stew, and we see what is going on, we are not as stupid as many of the rich would like to believe. When we fire back, you will know it in a crazed rampage. Americans know where the rich live, Congressmen and other State and Federal workers hang out, and we even know how to hide. We will leak CORPORATE SECRETS and take the world down with us. All it takes is vandalism to public property, avoiding paying taxes and using only cash, or in these extreme cases shootings, bombings and even anthrax, to even the playing field. Now I suggest that those in “Power” wake up and give the regular citizen back what is theirs or I fear there will be hell to pay here in America. What do they have to lose at this point. The shooter of Gabrielle Gifford was in his 20s with his whole life ahead of him. He gave it up because the world pushed hard enough to make him push back. I am leaving this lunatic asylum as soon as I get situated in another country. The corruption between the sheeple or corrupt controlling rich is a war I do not plan to stick around and watch play out. I kind of figured that Arizona or Texas would be a likely first of eruption. I also figured a problem might be around the corner with all the dead birds and fish, HA, HA, HA.
Peace Out
NO.THEY.DID.NOT.
your foolish rant displays the same kind of madness that happened today.
Your kind of thinking is what’s wrong..
.. damn trolls crawling out from under their rocks
@tyrone bettis,
I see you’ve pasted that mindless screech elsewhere today.
You really should be ashamed of yourself
tyrone bettis
Oh for balls sakes! Get the fuck out of here. Go down to the next conservative blog on your faxed list from Soros HQ and drop a turd over there, butt pirate. Grown-ups in here and we’re smoking. You might get second-hand smoke cancer.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-Bettis/1130569098
http://www.myspace.com/bettisman
Gabriel Giffords and the judge had it coming for supporting the Gestaopesque SB1070.
Ummmmmmmmmmm begone troll.
BTW i was quoting the troll that is not my opinion
The Dems are truly attracting the Wackos.
I truly believe that the Palin bashing will backfire. I know the Beck bashing will. Mike Pense observed the “Beck gathering” on the washington mall and said that profound changes were coming in the American public.
The left will continue to get more shrill. Eventually the American public will be placing them on the “backporch” so the rest of the neighbors can’t see them.
Tyrone Bettis = The most obvious troll ever.
The amount of Palin Bashing that took place yesterday was astronomical. Utterly ridiculous.
I just finished watching a DVD and this came on the news as I was changing back to TV.
To see that Hanoi Jane, (and YES I REMEMBER, BECAUSE I AM A VIET-NAM ERA VET), the MSNLSD crowd, and every political opportunist to discredit and accuse Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh for bringing this tragic event, is beyond unconscionable.
Have they no sense of morality? Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
Oh, and tyrone bettis, you have the gall to end your rant with “Peace Out?”
You don’t know what Peace is. You said the Federal Judge and the Congresswoman had this coming, and in your SICK mind, you perceive the shooter and possible accomplice, to be heroic martyrs? This is America, where you have freedom of speech, and it is not thoughtcrime to oppose someone’s views. Enough of the vitriol.
You, are a menace not only to yourself, but to society. What planet did you come from?
You don’t deserve to be an American. If you’re trying to incite people to violence, be very careful what you wish for. Because someone with the same mindset as yours would be a candidate for vigilante justice headed your way. Even in prison, there is honor among thieves. The Tea Party is not to blame. It is a total lack of civility and common courtesy, and honoring your neighbors and your community. Do you know right from wrong, Tyrone ? (if that’s your real name, because I don’t believe it is). The extreme left, who are calling for violence in the streets are no better than the skinheads.
We are better than this.
John Lennon reminded us, “if you’re talkin’ ’bout destruction, don’t you know that you can count me out!”
Think about it.
It’s obvious that your head is way up your ass, with the outlook you have.
Piglet-U93 says:
January 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Can anyone offer any indication or evidence that Jared’s primary target was not Judge Roll?
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From what I’ve read, Judge Roll just came by to say a thank you to Congresswoman Giffords, so I don’t see how someone could have gone to the event for the purpose of killing him.
DAMN COWARDS!
While this is a sad happening, it IS NOT WORTH SHUTTING DOWN THE CONGRESS NEXT WEEK!
A hundred times this number of “the governed people” could have been killed but because a couple of obscure government people are hurt/killed it stops the nation.
How many are going to die because the new conservatives in congress do not have a spine? Here is an idea. If they are not going to work, how about they do not get any pay!
You know how lefties, They will exploit everything to push their agenda. and this tragedy has nothing to do with politics yet the lefty trolls have exploited it. FYI- remember how the muzzies planned the bomb attacks and yet no lefty came to criticize it, they even described the Christmas tree bomber as a “model”.
it’s amazing how sarah palin was able to get a whacked-out lefty to do her bidding for her.
is there nothing palin isn’t capable of?
palin 2012
or you’re next
F*ck Michael Moore! Bastard needs to choke on his fat.
I’m an Australian. You rednecks are sickening! A violent, vile bunch, indeed.
What a backward country! It’s “Deliverance” all over again….
The real culprit for dividing our nation is the Mainstream Media.
100% fanning-the-flames *against* Americans for how long now??
A Congresswoman is nearly assasinated. Several innocents have died. Our entire nation is rocked yet again by senseless violence.
And what does the MSN do? Everything it can to totally and utterly cheapen this tradgedy with their sick and twisted rantings.
Liberals are obsessed with power and they will do anything they can to gather it for themselves, and then keep it.
Even if that means making an absolute mockery of those that are killed, injured and otherwise terrorized in order that they can promote their mentally ill ideology that sucks the backside of communist and marxist dictators and Islamofacist jihadists.
The proof is in the pudding… that is exactly why the Liberals are scared out of their wits and so busy going on the offensive against everyone else: smokescreen to hide their own dark hearts.
VS ~ pls don’t insult fat by including it in the same sentence as Michael Moore!
Michelle, I sincerely apologize. How careless of me!
@REAL Bob.
It’s the nudge Holdren is known for.. I hate the thought but completely agree that his is Obama’s goal.
Starting today and the rest of the next two years we have a lot of work cutout for us to get this evil man out of office.
The SS should see what is going on with Obama, like you said they are either in this with him or blind to their surroundings of him.
He proved to me today that he is a stone cold heartless bastard.
30-second sound bite then off to a friends house to watch football.
How any leader could walk away from a Nation trying to deal with these senseless killing of 6 people one being a sweet child and then the 5 others injured to walk away and go party is just evil. Sick and so very cold.
I don’t know about the rest of you but when I went off line I just went to my room and cried for all those souls lost to the world today.
Obama is the devils left hand man.
We do need to work on getting him out of office before anymore
People get killed over his personal vendetta against America.
I do remember you talking about Obama’s taste for blood and that he will never get enough of it.
I hope we can get him out and rebuild this Nation.
So many people hate us right now.
So many. The news outlets bombard us everyday spewing their hate and venom.
How do we fix this? How is this not going to get bloodier before it gets better?
I can’t see them letting this rest without more blood shed and the Right tied up nicely in a corner or rotting in a prison camp.
There is just too much….
Has the MSM forgotten this rabblerousing headline from early last week:
CHILLING VIDEO: OPENLY ROOTING FOR REVOLUTION, THE LEFT CALLS FOR AMERICAN CIVIL UNREST & RIOTS (FRANCES FOX PIVEN, LIB TALKERS, JOURNALISTS, VAN JONES, REV WRIGHT, ENGLISH PROTEST LEADER, ETC)
Are we holding Jane Fonda responsible for all the men killed in Vietnam? If not she can STFU.
Enough with the JFK similarities. There’s no conspiracy here! She was at a Safe-Way on a Saturday morning surrounded by a few supporters and not enough, if any, protection. It was very easy for this 22yr old nutcase to do what he did. maybe you conspiracy theory chasers should to post on infowars.
Also I dont believe the judge was the intended target. From what I’ve read the judge wasnt scheduled to be there but stopped by to thank the Congresswoman for support on a previous issue regarding illegal immigration.
pg — who are you? the thought police?
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109arizona-shooting-jared-loughner-associate.html
The 2nd major story to arise out of this vile act is the left’s (Politicians, MSM, pundits, etc.) rampant headlong rush to judgment and eager willingness to use the still warm bodies of the victims (one a 9 year old girl) as a Trojan horse to libel and slander Sarah Palin, Glen Beck and others.
Has it occurred to no one that these transparently false accusations and insinuations could easily lead to the type of politically motivated assassination the left so ardently wished for here. Could that be the purpose of such recklessly outrageous behavior?
Dot says:
January 9, 2011 at 8:31 am
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109arizona-shooting-jared-loughner-associate.html
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Umm, doesn’t that photo of the other suspect look a little like Sean Penn?
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/03/29/2010-03-29_maria_conchita_alonso_writes_open_letter_to_sean_penn_to_end_his_support_for_hug.html
b-p — no.
Dot- yes.
If someone wants to blame violence on politics the place to start would be a law enforcement agency, who’s head has declared himself above civilian control.
This sheriff is incompetent, from playing psychologist, to egging on his political opponents in a time of tragedy, and to being a fascist piece of trash, declaring himself above the law.
He has to go…now.
This is just the beginning.
As long as people (from either political persuasion) feel threatened and see no civil recourse to address their greivances against the government, THEY WILL STRIKE OUT.
The fact that this guy took out nineteen (19) people, including children, PROVES that the act was INDISCRIMINATE. The shooter is obviously insane.
What the politicians fear MOST, and what they are literally PISSING THEIR PANTS over, is that they see the possibility of otherwise SANE and ordinary people, who find themselves in the same position, with no recourse to grievances, taking them out ONE AT A TIME.
And I agree with them. Their fears are LEGITIMATE. Why?
Because they are starting to realize that POLITICAL FAILURE HAS CONSEQUENCES.
This isn’t some cartoon, where Wiley Coyote falls off of a cliff and gets smashed into a pancake upon impact, only to pull himself up and walk away. This is REAL LIFE. And real life has consequences. It’s called CAUSE AND EFFECT.
WE CANNOT AFFORD FAILURE. Our political “leadership” MUST lead in the proper directions or the country will fail. Any breakdown in civil order is THE DIRECT RESULT of failure in our civil structure, our courts, our laws, our “leadership”. We are a country of people who have been pushed to the edge of extinction by liberal, “progressive” attitides wherein anything earned by a worker is given away to someone else. THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE INDEFINITELY and has been going on since Franklin Fucking Rooseveldt.
So. What our politicians are finding out, from behind the veil of political power and the “security” that it advertises, is that ULTIMATELY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE.
And, that’s Constitutional.
*Applying tin foil hat*
Still can’t discount a false flag on this one.
Poor ex-college student living at home with no money and broke enough to do whatever the nice men in suits tell him…?
I could be wrong, but after the comment about not letting a good crisis go to waste, I don’t discount anything.
@big-pete
that is part of it. they want to use this to drive someone to commit a “retaliatory” act even though its being prove that.
A.This Guy was off his nut
B.Was turned down from joining the Army and believe me you have to be pretty fucking gone not to be taken by the Army.
C.Was a Liberal leaning Anarchist
That is why they are soooo eager to scream for Sarah and everyone else’s heads are are are almost publicly hoping with their sick hearts someone else will take their rhetoric and go for it in the sense of “Justice”…disgusting. Heck I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama tried to get Big Sis to take Sarah in for questioning. Even though his rethtoic has led to actual violence
There still isn’t enough information for the public to conclude a conspiracy.
As incomprehensible as Jared Loudner was, how messed up must someone be to identify with him? At most, we have an example of two insane people feeding off each others paranoia.
There can only be collaboration where there is understanding. Once the language becomes so abstract as to be considered irrational by normal standards, a person becomes isolated from everyone else on the planet.
It is not uncommon for schizophrenia to appear at the age of 22. It happens all the time.
I think the sheriff already cleared this matter up yesterday, and is leaving it out there to obscure the facts of the case AND popular opinion. He has some skin in this game and it’s not in his best interests to keep the public ‘fully updated’.
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“C. Was a Liberal leaning Anarchist”
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As are all the people rioting in the streets all throughout Europe. It makes you wonder about their mental state too, doesn’t it?
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Via Jammiewearingfool (with reservations):
“THE suspect being held over Saturday’s shooting of US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords may have links to anti-Semitic race hate group American Renaissance.”
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/01/latest-on-giffords-shooting-loughner.html
hey my name credited by Zip, thanks
with my tin foil hat on I also would not discount this being a setup to discredit conservatives.
Don’t believe the lefties would have gone batshit if a Republican had been shot. Tragic attack by a nutjob who’s favorite books were the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.
The Hill is now saying this kid is part of the skin heads and hates Jews , immigrants and so forth.
The fundamental difference between the left and the right. Plainly on display in full public view.
As a group, we believe in individual responsibility. That whack job chose to shoot those people.
The left FEELS that this sicko was a product of his environment and therefore everybody else is to blame.
Hey no_one_in_particular –
How did your 8:50 am comment get inserted after the fact between mine (8:59 am and big-pete’s 8:48 am comment? Weasel Zipper comment manufacturing? That’s never a good sign — I have seen it happen on many web sites.
But no — I don’t see the resemblance.
My 8:59 ‘no’ was to big-pete re:
“Could that be the purpose of such recklessly outrageous behavior?”
Dot, from what I remember no_one_in_particular’s comment was there from the start and not inserted after. In fact I thought, initially, you were replying to his observation. Anyway, I don’t believe anything nefarious is going on here.
@ whthfk
Another observation.
Again, having lived through the Vietnam anti-war riots and seen how crowds are manipulated, I believe what we are seeing is an attempt to congeal the Demorroid coalition against conservatives after they were eviscerated in the last election.
They need a demon, a booggyman, or in this case a boogywoman to rally their troops against. Their problem is twofold. First, the facts so far don’t support any of their claims and secondly, exit polls after the Nov. election showed that 40% of those polled after voting said they supported the Tea Party.
Since libturds represent only 20-22% of the American population, 40% support the Tea Party and consistently over the past 30 years, conservatives are represented by an average of 60% of the voters, they cannot win. Especially if conservatives ban together, which they have partly under the Tea Party banner, and go after them with every weapon at their disposal.
For example, simply stop buying anything tainted by liberalism which startes with any product produced by the MSM. It means a tax revolt. (IMHO, the Pubix are going to fail at controling government spending without more of an incentive, like cutting off their money.) And other acts of non-violence at our disposal.
It means hammering both conservatives and Libturds in congress 24/7 demanding they fix the country OUR way, not their way.
FDR once famously said “There are two parties in Washington. The party in power and the party that wants to be in power.” That means, same problems, different solutions. E.g., to turn around the economy, stimulate the it with tax cuts or Kaynsian deficit spending. One relies on The People, the other relies on Big Government. One way, we lose our freedom, the other way we thrive on our freedom. FDR was right. That’s what it all boils down to.
In the case of this tragedy, we must demand the changes and corrections that give us MORE not LESS freedom.
Obama and Libshits like Fonda want a dictatorship.
Frankly, I think that the evidence is overwhelming. Obama is going to end up like Mussolini, hanging from a rope. The more they push to supress, distress and punish the Right will backfire.
And IMHO, again, I believe the REAL villain behind all this IS Ocaca and his fellow co-conspirators. It’s not Palin or Beck or any other conservative the delusional Left is using to attack conservatives. They are the Left’s strawmen.
We have met the enemy and they are not us, they are the Leftists, Libturds, Repressives and Democrats.
Will we be able to beat them to a pulp peacefully? Only time will tell, but I’m beginning to have my doubts.
big-pete:
My 8:59 am comment immediately followed yours; you may have faulty recollection.
Or — perhaps no_one_in_particular’s comment was held for moderation…
At any rate, to you your beliefs and to me, mine.
Sayonara!
Dot says: January 9, 2011 at 11:19 am – At any rate, to you your beliefs and to me, mine.
No problem. Just out of curiosity, is your “no” a repudiation that much of the media, many pundits and some politicians did in fact slander and are still slandering Palin, Beck, etc. or that those engaging in the slander are not interested in seeing Palin, Beck, et. al. harmed?
No — this “blame game” is an orchestrated distraction, IMO. Our country has become too divided to see our own stupidity. Meanwhile, the tyrants methodically (and with impunity) pursue their agendas.
The judge, may God rest his soul and comfort his family, was a target. That should be obvious since he is barely mentioned in any of the media coverage.
The congresswoman — may God give her a full recovery — was also a target but for different reasons and to add fuel to the divisive fires. IMO.
Dot: How the hell was the judge a target if he wasnt supposed to be at the event? Most people couldnt pick out a federal judge from the person standing next to him. Politicians are more identifiable because they receive all the face time in media coverage.
I think the judge was just standing near Giffords and became a target, just like the 18 other victims.
Note to MMFlint’s query:
Big Sis and AG al Holder would be consulting with CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood to ‘make adjustments’ to how ‘targets’ are translated between differing cultures/religions/ideologies.
Knowing the Muslim world’s proclivity for assholes the target would be seen as a wish list for a sexual partner … so it would be deemed OK by the DHS and the DOJ.
Next?
pg — how? Do you think people are that difficult to follow — or even to conveniently “herd” to a desired location — in this day and time?
What if the congresswoman were the target of the kid, while the judge was the target of someone else? The judge suffered multiple shot wounds according to a report I saw; she got the one as far as I know.
Can you honestly not fathom two things going on at once? Really?
Where did you read about the judge suffering multiple wounds? I havent seen or heard anything other than Giffords single shot to the head.
Here for one:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704030704576070010694650214.html
“He cut in front of the line and shot her [Representative Giffords] pointblank in the head with a semi-automatic pistol.
The gunman then sprayed the crowd with shots in rapid succession. The sheriff’s office said the pistol had an extended magazine, which allowed him to take at least 20 shots at the crowd, which was hemmed in by a table and two concrete pillars. “
that just reiterates what I said….Judge Roll was an victim, not the target. I read the article twice and it said absolutely nothing about the Judge being shot multiple times as you stated.
Using your logic I can say that the two senior citizens were the targets but Giffords got in the way, thus she was the 1st one shot. Maybe it was a conspiracy to kill old people? Maybe the gunman’s grandmom didnt hug him enough when he was a child so he hated old people?
Again, you’re reaching for something that just not there based on the information available right now and eye witness reports.
“He cut in front of the line and shot her [Representative Giffords] pointblank [read: one shot] in the head with a semi-automatic pistol.
The gunman then sprayed the crowd with shots in rapid succession. The sheriff’s office said the pistol had an extended magazine, which allowed him to take at least 20 shots at the crowd, which was hemmed in by a table and two concrete pillars. “
This story, as well as multitudinous others, report the judge and the little girl dying from multiple gunshot wounds. Other stories give details on multiple gunshot wounds of the other victims.
1. Google — it’s your friend.
2. You are just perturbed that I’m not chewing on the bone that the media (and other criminals) are throwing us: that this awkward looking miscreant planned and executed this massacre in a vacuum.
FCC is gonna expand their mandate based on this
shut down free speech
its blasphemy to dems and muzzies
obama will find a way to ruin the country – its his role
meanwhile within 30 years there will be 40 mil muzzies in USA so gate will be long closed
sorry folks its time to start the war now while we have a chance
dum fuck dems thrive on self hate of america
while muz long war accelerates
one bullet give dems new image
@Dot:
When I copied your link and added my own, I got flagged for moderation, and it took a couple minutes for Zip or whoever to allow it. Nothing nefarious or unusual going on, just SOP.
Can someone please backhand shep into a permanent coma.
Great news, NOIP! However, I sometimes wonder if my e-mail address is on some kind of “watch list.” To which I say, “Watch this.”
…
What are some of the most famous last words before a trip to the ER?
“Hey — watch this” tops the list. I saw that on a billboard one time for a local hospital. Great ad campaign.
~Shalom~
You people are seriously deluded here. Why don’t you go back and review the film, news, stories and whatever information coming from both sides of this republic from both the democrats and the republicans/conservatives/TeaPartiers since the election of a black man, and tell yourselves some truth. Being ridiculous is passe. You write and act as if you have nothing but fear and ignorance to live for. Hate is an ugly emotion that does wicked things to the mind and body. You guys need to stop spouting your hate and do what Jesus said and follow the truth. You are still alive and no one has taken your rights away, America is still here, wake up and go hug your friends and families and live, sheesh.
Karen — you are a victim of the media, but are unable to see it.
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Sunday, January 9, 2011
The Incitement Double Standard
by Jonathan S. Tobin
As the political left seeks to use the Arizona tragedy to tar all conservatives with the brush of the murderer, there is another point to remember here. In the past few years, there have been several shootings and terrorists attacks carried out or attempted by American Muslims who were clearly influenced by extremist Islam.
Yet every time such a crime happens, liberals loudly warn us that an examination of the motives of those who carry out such attacks is beyond the pale, since such ruminations might be prejudicial to Muslims, even if the truth is that those crimes were influenced by Islam.
Caution is always advisable when seeking to associate anyone or anything with a violent crime, even though the links between some of these cases of Muslim terrorism and extreme forms of Islam are fairly clear. Yet today there are no such warnings being sounded in the media cautioning Americans not to attribute the actions of an unstable individual to political movements that actually have nothing to do with his crime. Indeed, far from preemptively warning the public not to jump to conclusions, even within the first 24 hours after the assassination took place, ***we have already had several instances of the left seeking to link this crime with dissent against the policies of President Obama and his Democratic congressional supporters.***
It is curious that many of the same media forums, such as the New York Times, that have repeatedly refused even to report, let alone editorialize, about the links between Islamist beliefs and terror are ***openly seeking to blame the Arizona attack on the Tea Party or anyone else who has had the temerity to question the president, publishing stories that seek to shift the public’s attention from the murderer to Tea Party activists and Republicans, who have nothing to do with this crime. But so deeply ingrained is liberal bias within our mainstream media that no one there seems to understand that there is a double standard at play here.***
*** – emphasis mine
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karen scott says: January 10, 2011 at 1:23 am – You people are seriously deluded here…
Well aren’t you the enlightened one. You seem to think liberty is the natural political state of man. It is not. You seem to think liberty is something that can never be taken from you. It can. No, I’m afraid you are the one who is deluded.
Go back to your Rodney King la-la land and leave liberty’s defense to those that have the understanding, will, courage and stomach to do the job.
You all miss the BIG PICTURE. It does not matter what you say, or your take on freedom of speech. Jared Loughner proved this. We all see the wrongs that our government is doing, and anytime someone wants to even the score, well you saw what happened. Everyone can buy a gun and make a decision, and what you write here is not going to change a thing. Any law you pass, even gun control, is not going to change a thing. You can have a big blog march to whatever political, religious or ideological hole you want. The point is no one, deep down, gives a shit. When a person becomes brave enough, or crazy as you like to label, then Congress will be in the CROSSHAIRS time and time again.
Point to Jared Loughner’s problems all you want. You can’t tell me that bailouts, tax breaks for rich, fed pumping dollars like its going out of style (QE1 QE2 = deflation), America in economic ruin, and this had nothing to do with it. Even a little bit. Try doing something important, at least protest, your blogging is lame. Better to live on your feet than die on your knees you pussies.
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Get a life, losers.