UK: Court Rules Christian Beliefs Are Harmful to Children, Christian Couple May Not Be Allowed to Adopt…
If the left gets their way our Judeo-Christian heritage will be circling the drain in the same fashion as the UK.
(Telegraph) — Eunice and Owen Johns are a God-fearing Christian couple, married almost 40 years, who offered a secure and loving family home to foster children aged between five and 10. But they are to be denied the opportunity to do so any longer because they are unwilling to promote a homosexual lifestyle to a child.
Neither Mr nor Mrs Johns has anything against gay people but they are not in favour of sex before marriage, whatever an individual’s orientation. Their views were denounced by Ben Summerskill, of the homosexual pressure group Stonewall, as “old-fashioned”. Yet not that long ago they would have been considered mainstream and they are, in any case, the strongly held religious views of the couple.
The reason that they were even asked about their views on homosexuality was because Parliament passed the Sexual Orientation Regulations, making it an offence to discriminate on the grounds that someone is heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. These are the same laws under which Peter and Hazelmary Bull, Christian owners of a guest house, were fined last month for refusing to let a gay couple share a room. But in the case of Mr and Mrs Johns, where is the victim? They were not turning anyone away. Quite the contrary — they were offering a home to children who will otherwise end up in care, and there are precious few people who will. Furthermore, since the children would be aged under 10, matters of sexuality are hardly relevant — or is it being suggested that they should be? Astonishingly, the High Court suggested that it was not so much their Christian faith as the moral certainties of the Johns that were potentially harmful to children.
There is another troubling aspect of this case. Equality laws are supposed to uphold the rights to religious belief. Yet the High Court ruled that laws protecting people from discrimination because of their sexual orientation “should take precedence” over the right not to be discriminated against on religious grounds. Why has it been left to judges to decide whose rights trump those of others? This should have been decided by Parliament but, yet again, another sloppily drafted measure will have far-reaching consequences for freedom of conscience in this country.
Already the Roman Catholic Church has had to close its adoption agencies because they cannot conform to the law. Perhaps there is a historical irony here, because we are witnessing a modern, secular Inquisition — a determined effort to force everyone to accept a new set of orthodoxies or face damnation as social heretics if they refuse. Parliament and the courts should protect people like Mr and Mrs Johns, but have thrown them to the wolves. It is a disgrace.
HT: Anon
Posted by ZIP on Monday, February 28, 2011, at 11:11 pm | 
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“the moral certainties”
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Huh?
Valuing human life is a moral certainty. Secular Humanism is a code of moral certainty.
Feeding your children every day is based on a concept of ‘moral certainty’!
Do the want someone with absolutely no moral limits to raise the children???? Does such a person exist? Excluding clinical sociopaths, doesn’t everyone have a moral code that they follow? Even as twisted as it was, Charlie Manson lived by a code of some kind. He assigned more value to certain things in life, than to other things, then he insisted that his “family” abide by those limits.
What type of nihilist could possibly qualify as both ‘uncommitted’ to any moral standard, yet still safe enough to be around children???
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coming to a country near you!!!
I guess if they were a Muslim couple and wanted to teach the kiddies jihad, that would be ok
A person’s very identity is based upon the value they place on everything within their frame of reference.
There is a very real and MORAL expectation that comes from being ‘British’, for instance. An outside observer can reasonably assume that a British person is probably ‘for’ certain things, and ‘against’ others. They value certain things in life more than others.
Tea = Good
Coffee = Bad
If this court had a valid point, they really screwed up on delivery. All values, all morals, all preferences, and all beliefs, are subjective truths. Objective truth takes up only a very small part of an average person’s reality.
The ‘human experience’ is an abstract one.
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“….Parliament passed the Sexual Orientation Regulations, making it an offence to discriminate on the grounds that someone is heterosexual….”
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How ridiculous…
The Johns’ should sue… they are being discriminated against by the court…
What about Christian parents who are the biological parents of their kids?
Does the state believe they should be taken away from their parents?
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I thought I would never live to see the decline of Western Civilization, I guess I was wrong.
Britain, down the gurgler: As in the days of Noah … the Flood came and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:26-27)
The court’s decision is obscene.
If the court sees a Christian value set as ‘damaging to young minds’, shouldn’t the same court feel obligated to remove the biological children from Christian households?
What ‘right to abuse children’, if they intend to call Christianity “abuse”, could biological parents have that adoptive parents would not have?
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FACT: most homosexuals are also pedophiles
FACT: most homosexuals commit self harm
FACT: most homosexuals spread disease
FACT: being a homosexual was considored a mental disorder until 1990
who the fuck do these judges think they are? revolt
Society is FUCKED!
This is the same country that does not allow a Father to touch his children (son or daughter) because it may cause him to become a Pedophile. I am not kidding. Only the Mother is allowed to touch the children. England has already accepted Shariah Law into their country. I guess its OK for Dad to Stone Mommy and strap a Suicide Bomb into their child. Gotta keep that Diversity.
the queen needs to be taken down, where is the “day of rage”?
When the Sexual Deviants get their superior rights here in the USA, this is exactly what will happen.
I think that is “the plan”.
I think the time is ripe— er, right for the Irish to re-spark that ‘mutual hate thing’ they had centuries ago against the Brits and charge in to conquer them once and for all.
Europe and Britain especially shot itself in the head with this idiocy decades ago and now its just coming to the end when the sun finally sets on the British empire.
Britain is done, if the people don’t rise up and put things right. I’d wager this same court that rules Christianity is harmful wouldn’t have a problem with Islamic Shariah being taught to kids. In fact, the Imams in England are some of the most vocal and hostile of any in the Western countries. This abyssmal spiritual void in Britain will be filled by Sharia. Goodbye England. I only help the Scots, Welsh and Irish have the sense to wall themselves off from you before the collapse. And we’re going that direction too.
Honestly?
I believe that this attitude will soon dominate in the United States of America. The Christian Church is being stripped of all her power within society – I speak of any sect that goes by the name of ‘Christian’ (Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, etc.). Think of all the tax dollars that could be raised upon taxing church properties. Think of how the secular world considers anything to do with Christianity – Christians are considered ‘bigots’ because the call sodomy a sin – an act of choice. The elevation of marriage in society, the instruction of children – our entire society is founded upon Christian principles. and our society is crumbling. turning to dust.
Where did Obama come from? From those who elected him – from those who are the results of our shattered society.
ALSO, I caution, don’t believe the falsehood about 72%-85% of our society being Christian – most fall into the category of ‘go-along to get-along’, in either the secular or religious world.
Isn’t that’s what happened to the UK? The ‘small c’ christians adopted the attitude of, ‘go-along to get-along’.
It’s all over for the U.K.–Defeated with barely a whimper by the Communist-Islam alliance .
Communist Goals (1963)
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal,
natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
“social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and
easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
whole list here:
http://www.southernwolf.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2462
The West circles the drain, or is it joining the marching morons?
Isn’t this what progressives want for society? Isn’t their vision of society grand? If you’ve been to the UK recently you know it wasn’t the land of manners and grace that it was thirty years ago. Now it is filled with yaboos, parsites, and loons. London is filled with muggers and conmen. Entire sections of cities are no go areas due to Paki and black gangs. Drug use is rampant. The police are an Orwellian nightmare. They do not p[rotect the law abiding so much as prevent the citizens from defending themselves against said yaboos.
The UK, a land that was once great. Is it to bec0ome the model for America? Obama hopes so.
@Larry7
and after they have been used as a weapon against western society…throw them into the fire like any other well used club. History loves to repeat itself. Wonder how they think this will be different from the last times Communist and or Muslims ran things?
at least our teeth will always be better
Why did we bother saving them in both World Wars?
“Why did we bother saving them in both World Wars?”
Fuck off you ignorant twat. Learn some history. Britain defeated the Luftwaffe over England in 1940 with 100% British made aircraft. Britain was already using radar at that time. We invented it and handed it on a plate to the US. Where was America? Watching from the sidelines.
By 1942 we were bombing Germany with 1,000 bomber raids using 100% built British aircraft. We could have continued that indefinitely. Where was America? Just starting to get their act together.
The fact is America saved Europe not England. Without America the 6th June 1944 invasion of Europe could not have taken place. In 1944 we had jet powered aircraft in service. We handed America jet engine technology on a plate. Our nuclear scientists were also the reason America was able to develop a nuclear bomb in 1945.
All the above is fact and can only be disputed by the stupid and ignorant.
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
Read this book…
RayB,
Who fed and supplied England ?
America..
“Why did we bother saving them in both World Wars?”
This is a valid question…
Without America, England was doomed…
Don’t act like England could go it alone forever… How many merchant marines died in U-boat attacks trying to supply England?
Just imagine if America had not supplied England at all… British Toast..
“Our nuclear scientists were also the reason America was able to develop a nuclear bomb in 1945.”
Ummm… The Manhattan Project was a pretty large operation.. Saying that England’s scientists had a key role is being truthful…
Saying that America wouldn’t have developed the bomb without England’s help is just being boastful…
So if we didn’t step in and save Europe, Jolly Olde England would have been just fine. Because the Third Reich would have stopped before hitting your shores. Sure thing. Saved you from the Nazis so you could give yourselves to the muslims. Sure must make all of those who sacrificed real proud. And you did it without even a whimper.
If you people keep on bickering over who won what and who did the most to win it, we’re all going to wake up one day — here in the good old USA (you remember, the country that elected a Moslem to the White House) — either DEAD or DOMINATED. There’s a lot more that unites us with the British, the Europeans, the Australians, the Canadians, the New Zealanders — the entire WEST — than divides us.
It should be a sobering thought to all you arguing over WWII that it took the ENTIRE civilized world to beat the Fascists. And the Fascists didn’t have the almost 1,400-year head start that Islam does. As for the LEFT (Communists AND Nazis — the ‘progressives’ of today’s jargon), they just re-grouped and are still aiming for our jugular vein, with the Moslems in there as their ‘Storm-troopers’ and the sexual perverts bringing up the rear.
First step: See Political Correctness for what it is: a tool of the Marxist Frankfurt School to undermine the foundations of all Western countries.
Second step: Speak out against all PC and be prepared to be a “social heretic” — you’ll be amazed to discover that, once you speak up, you’ll be joined by the majority of people who are fed up with the bigotry of PC and, once they know what the real aims of PC are, they’ll stop caring about ‘feelings’ and start defending our rights and freedoms.
U K is in swirly mode!
Proof that the normalization of homosexuality will have disastrous consequences for Christians. This is likely coming to America given that Obama is pushing the gay agenda like none other. Now we have to worry about Lady Gaga’s pro-gay songs.
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/02/lady-gaga-releases-born-this-way-video.html
We should force them to follow their arguments to their logical conclusion. They have no basis for limiting marriage for anyone, regardless of the gender of the couple or how many are involved. How about marriages between two men and one women or vice versa? Why worry about incest anymore? If one is born with innate sexual desires then those desires must be legitimized in marriage.
@Van Grungy
“Saying that America wouldn’t have developed the bomb without England’s help is just being boastful…”
I said: Our nuclear scientists were also the reason America was able to develop a nuclear bomb in 1945. I did not say America wouldn’t have developed the bomb without England’s help. I should have made it clearer.
As you say the Manhattan Project was an international effort. What I should have said is that the British nuclear scientists were key in this and without them it would have taken longer, maybe 1946.
George Mueller would weep.
[George Muller was a minister and great man of God that took care of orphans in England. If you are ever in despair wondering where your next meal is coming from, the book "Delighted in God" or other Mueller biographies are an inspiration.]
Time for the EDL to get to work!! Kick some ass and take back your nation from these islamic dogs!
In addition to throwing the Johns to the wolves, Parliament has just done the same to the children who would have otherwise gone into the Johns home. Who are the Parliament protecting here?
This all started with King Henry VIII and the final nail is being put in the coffin by Muzzies, Commies, and Dhimmis.
this is totally mindboggling and P A T H E T I C
along the similar vein, talking to my daughter who is a freshman in H.S.; a girl recently committed suicide over online bullying, not only has the bullying continued AFTER her death, but students vocally bash her and make fun of her in the hallways.
In an assembly about drug use, a former drug abuser gave a speech telling where she was raped by 7 different men while on the drug ecstasy. My daughter said that audience laughed and yelled that she deserved it.
I’m only assuming that one day one of my daughters or all 3 will be homeschooled, as they will be expelled for vocally standing up to this kind of horror.
It’s all in the upfetching, folks.
Oh, the Brits are one of the most racists races I’ve ever seen. They do not mingle with other nationalities when at work especially men. They are afraid that having men friends from other nation would accuse them of having sexual relationship.
French people are worse than the Brits. They DO NOT make friends with any other nationals except if there are ladies coming from third world countries whose wish is to have French boyfriends that they can use to enter Europe.
I’ve seen all these things in my 10 years working with different nationalities from Africa, Southeast Asia, Middle East, Mexico, US, and Europe. The friendliest of all are MIDDLE EASTERNS, AFRICANS, MEXICANS, S. KOREANS and other ASIANS.
I have several friends who get very squirmy when I describe the homosexual act. These friends defend homosexual rights but get grossed out when I ask them, “So you believe that it’s okay for a man to stick his dick in another man’s ass?” Oh, the howling that ensues. But what are we talking about here? Are we saying that a man sticking his dick in another man’s ass is the same as a man and woman making a commitment to marry each other, live together and raise children together? Are both of these acts the building blocks of our society?
Is a doorknob a toothbrush? The last time I checked a doorknob had one definition and one purpose and a toothbrush had another. They are not the same thing; never have been, never will be. Now we are to accept that sodomy is the same as marriage? They bother are two separate things with very different meanings and are not the same thing; never have been, never will be. So what has happened that we now accept this lie as a fact and prosecute people who don’t?
the sun used to shine 24 hours a day on the british empire.now the sun is about to go out on it
@ Camelid
Muslims don’t adopt, not in the western sense of the word.
We’re ruled by a bunch of freaks, last time we had a “normal”
leader was Reagan, the rest were sexual preverts or crooks.
Democracy as it’s run is a failure, how often do we end up with
some elitist arsehole lieing crook, far more often than not.
We’d be far better off just pulling a name out of a hat of taxpayers for every post.
Just like ancient Athens who invented “democracy”
speaking of child-rearing…
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/03/01/radical-islamists-propose-camp-for-children-of-all-religions-in-rural-new-york-1/
I guess the Brits would prefer putting the kids in those orphanages that inspired so many books.
It’s all about being “good people”. If these folks don’t like homosexuals, who knows what other things they don’t like which might be passed along to their foster kids. I’d reject this couple on the basis that they’ll potentially inspire a form of hate in their kids.
HOWEVER, knowing that the government would never deny Muslims seeking to be foster parents and all the “hates” they would inspire in their kids, I would absolutely rather have this couple be foster parents with their one particular hate than Muslims with their pan-hatred.
For how long are the good people of Britain going to take this ass pounding from their elites? My money is on “not for much longer”. All this crap is cumulative and when the ignition spark comes, look out.
There has always been an element in society which knows what is best for everybody else. Its the same people every year, every decade. Very often people feel hostile. You cannot dictate that I associate with people based upon their race, creed, color, or sexual habits. The biggest predator of humans is other humans. Look at the crime statics.
The gays forcing their “religion” on everyone else (sounds exactly like moslims). CHRISTian and other religions don’t force others to join, CHRISTians just pray for their souls and let them know about CHRIST. Gays and moslims, can’t get anyone to willfully join (miniscule amount convert to the cults), so must force others to convert. Same gay religion being forced on U.S. military forces.
I simply do not understand. Why is the mother allowed to touch the child, while the father is not? Couldn’t she be a pedophile as well? Is it safely demonstrated that women cannot be pedophiles? Why are the women denied the right of being pedophiles?
Who is to touch the child when sent in a camp? The children of such judges and politicians would reap the most advantages if sent in such a camp, their disgraceful parents would be cut off spreading their mental dirt.
The UK is doomed and they most righteously deserve it.
These so-called “agencies” should have signs outside them:
“Warning: Vile leftist filth at work.”
RTS