House Republicans Say They Will Shut Down Gov’t by Voting Against Spending Bill Unless Planned Parenthood Is Defunded…
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(TPM) — A pro-life leader in the House says he and many other Republicans will vote against legislation to fund the government through September if a series of anti-abortion riders, which already passed the House, aren’t included in the final bill.
“I’m going to push so hard to make sure those are all in there,” Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) told The Takeaway. “You can’t back off, from a human rights perspective. If you do so you facilitate the demise of hundreds of thousands of children.”
Smith said several Republicans would defect on the spending bill if the abortion riders are removed. He focused specifically on one amendment, authored by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), eliminating federal funds for Planned Parenthood.
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Shut. It. Down.
Yea, and can you take care of National Public Radio and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting while you’re at it? Why my tax dollars have to fund entertainment that isn’t universally desired is beyond me.
Sweet!
I smell burnt rubber!
I do not care if a woman wants to sc@w the entire town of Chicago,just don’t demand my tax dollars to take care of your “punishment.”
I supposed the Democrats will flee Capitol Hill in protest like their comrades in Wisconsin?
suppose*
I hate it there’s not an Edit comment button:-(
Talk is cheap. Let’s see some action.
You people are legitimately disgraceful. Defund NPR/PBS? Why?
I guess thats ok but subsidizing for a bunch of dumb rednecks to drive 500 times in a circle so other dumb rednecks can oogle at it for 10 hours is a good use of money for this country.
Also, unless anyone here is close to a millionaire, the loss of collective bargaining or public/private employees will most likely lead to further detrimental legislation that will affect you. Does no one here have a small concept such as ‘foresight’.
Hallelujah!
Hey brainiac Kwilliams, what exactly does legitimately disgraceful mean? foresight like a fetus is a person and murder is murder.
@billp
I’d have to wager a guess that brainiac Kwilliams is a troll.
I support them 100% just do it..
The words ‘legitmately’ and ‘disgraceful’ are self-explanatory. Personally, I mean it to show that you are a homegrown embarassment, incapable of rational thought processes, easily riled and mobilized while supremely ignorant of any view that doesn’t align with the fabricated, unreliable sexist religious texts.
Further, I find that most people who use Judeo-Christian biblical text to warrant validity to their arguments against abortion aren’t very knowledgeable in the book they tout as supreme law. Nor are they aware of its history in being put together. Further, most people just pick a few lines and hot-topic passages to support their argument and ignore the rest.
Lastly, from a Scientific (that’s a word) perspective, a fetus is not a human being. It’s a fetus. There is potential that it may be a human one day. There is also potential that it is miscarried, or a myriad of other options.
@KWilliams:
Unless you actually believe the glowing job reports coming out of this regime,what do you think the avg schlub has been dealing with the last 3 years? Company isn’t making enough money to keep employees,it is bye bye. Explain to me why public union employees,who mostly produce nothing, should be treated as if they are a privileged class.
@Kwilliams.
you forgot to add your diatribe about Fox news brainwashing us.
fubar: “you forgot to add your diatribe about Fox news brainwashing us”
Heh…
Uncivil & right,
Do you actually believe that companies are not makign enough to keep employees? In the years since the financial collapse, small private business have been faltering or unable to get off the ground (due to no-one lending) and major corporations, financial institutions and big business have recorded record profits. Not record profits since 2008. Ever. Record profits ever. The wealth gap in this country is at its largest since the 1920′s (we remember what happened then, right?). The upper 1% owns over 34% of the wealth.
Businesses are making money. Money, however, is going to a smaller and more lucrative few.
Also, the whole point of unions and public service was that you weren’t paid as high as the private sector. You earned less, lived more modestly but at least you had an end-date until retirement. At least you could own a home, and put food on the table and go to the doctor. And if the plutocratic elite wanted to strip you off that, you had bargaining power. This isn’t a republican or democrat issue, liberal/conservative. This is those in charge and the little guys. It’s the evaporating middle class and the newly-emerging new poor trying to keep their heads above water.
Defunding is a start, I’d like to see Planned Parenthood rounded up, tried and executed for murder
KWilliams says….”a fetus is not a human being. It’s a fetus.”
It is carried by a human female….
that resulted from the copulation… with a human male…
it is a human…
Rob,
So what about the dozens if not hundreds of fertilized eggs that a women flushes out of her body in her lifetime. That is technically the beginning of a fetus carrying both male and female DNA, through copulation? Not every fertilized egg, future fetus, future human ‘nests’.
Also, thats faulty logic. It is carried by a human. Doesn’t make it human. It’s not human. It has the potential to become a human being. But fetuses can not survive outside of the female body until the 3rd trimester. That doesn’t define ‘a human’. It’s a fetus.
Leftists almost all seem to favor abortion. Why?
The key to understanding that is simple.
When Leftists get into absolute power as they often did in the 20th Century
we soon see what their “compassion” really adds up to.
From Stalin to Pol Pot, Leftists showed that they do not care about human life at all. Leftists murdered millions.
So what are a few unborn babies to them? A mere bagatelle!
I myself think it is patently obvious that abortion is murder.
A baby that would survive if born premature is destroyed by an abortionist…
….and we are told that no crime has been committed!
Absurd.
KWilliams says stupid shit….
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So what about the dozens if not hundreds of fertilized eggs that a women flushes out of her body in her lifetime….”
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Seriously…are you stupid…
Dear Rob,
Dude! I’m sort of at a loss. Yea, I guess I’m ‘progressive’, but its a tad insulting comparing me to Stalin…..and Pol Pot (who was not at all progressive. In fact he murdered anyone who was educated in Cambodia).
“I myself think it is patently obvious that abortion is murder.” Fair enough. I may ask you though, what do you do that makes ‘Your’ opinion any more justifiable than anyone elses. Especially a woman, who in her first trimester wants to rid herself of a fetus. What do you do, good sir, that gives you the authoritative clout to declare that and then demand it be so.
It’s unsavory, its not what I lobby for if I got a female pregnant. Thats my personal choice. Ultimately, Roe and Planned Parenthood and a ton of other cases explain WHY it is not murder. If you are interested, those cases can be easily found online. The legal opinion, written by O’Connor is not that difficult to get through.
Further, one more irony. Leftists, or me want absolute power? Seems to me that most ‘leftists’ are perfectly capable of disagreeing with a woman’s choice, but controlled enough not to attempt to DICTATE to her what she should be doing with her uterus. That seems like *you* want absolute control, of a woman’s body and a woman’s independant choice.
Also, that thing about fertilized eggs being flushed away during a woman’s period is true, and was partly in jest. I don’t through that forward for any legitimate argument.
I think actually that George Carlin said that first. He also said, “Isn’t it ironic that most of hte people against abortion, are people you wouldn’t want to f*ck in the first place.” Once again, thats a joke. It’s funny though.
KWilliams says….”Dude! I’m sort of at a loss.”
Yeah you are….
Who the fuck uses… DUDE….
KWilliams…”..Thats my personal choice. Ultimately, Roe and Planned Parenthood and a ton of other cases explain WHY it is not murder….”
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It is murder…. you extinguished a life…
silenced a heartbeat….
MURDERER….
If NPR and PBS were that good, they would be able to find advertising dollars to keep themselves afloat. Unfortunately, the two or three people who sit there watching British Soap Operas, Red Crested Tree Warblers and Progressive Jazz want the rest of us to pay for their mundane programming.
Shut it down, Stop the genocide and stop spending money.
Win win situacion either way.
I do. See, Rob, I’m at quite a loss, when ignorant people, (ignorant in science, theology, medicine, history, the law, politics) burst forward at the first sense of something said that doesn’t sit right with them.
Instead of responding with rational or factual data. You threw out two names of dictators in history that do not fit into the current argument. You ASSUME, that I’m not a compassionate person. Then you simply PROCLAIMED that abortion is murder, because it seems that way to YOU, who once again are ignorant. Then you attacked me personally.
Thats what dumbasses do, Rob. Can you understand that?
KWilliams says…”I think actually that George Carlin said that first. ”
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You take your cues on life from comedians…
WOW….you really are at a loss….
The house repubs have been full of so much fail, it would be great if they actually ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING CONSERVATIVE!
KWilliams says….”…Then you attacked me personally.”
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Get thicker skin….
Looks like they are taking a page out of Dick Morris book.
They need to make this threat every two weeks for the rest of the year for ALL programs they want de-funded!!!
Just go right down the list , every two weeks until they get what they want . DEFUND DEFUND DEFUND
Mr. Retired Army Officer,
NPR and PBS, although viewed as having a liberal slant is incredibly beneficial and diverse in what they offer. True, maybe the warbler documentary doesn’t appeal to you. Fair enough. Similarly, federal funding only provides around 1/4 of the revenue to keep them afloat. The rest comes from ‘Viewers like You.’
I think its fair to say the defunding these stations are not related to the budget, since I pointed out earlier, the same Congress wanted and kept tax-payer money to be given to NASCAR, which provides zero value its almost staggering. In thel ong run, it won’t matter since it won’t be defunded anyway. It’s just another attack against things that are perceived as ‘liberal’. Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, NOVA and Frontline aren’t liberal. They aren’t conservative either. They are educational entertainment.
Oh Rob. Trust me. I’m not hurt by your attacks. I deal with far more scathing critiques by far smarter individuals in my profession everyday. I feel like I am forced to handle you with kid gloves. Otherwise, you’ll fly off the handle and call me the re-animated ghost of the love-child between Stalin and Chairman Mao. That isn’t productive to discourse and conversation.
Can’t help btu notice you haven’t responding back to a single thing I said with anything substantive. What legal, medical, or religious justification do you get for calling abortion murder.
Re Carlin:
Yea, I don’t get ‘life lessons’ from comedians. I get my ‘jokes’ from them. There’s their entire job description.
Armed Forces advertising is needed in NASCAR to help with enlistment which is low most likely because of the current administrations outstanding support of the military.
There’s a thing called ROTC, which goes to campuses to recruit educated youngsters. Also, tv advertisements that are designed to lure young men and women to sign a contract with the armed forces. A multi-million dollar emblem on a racing piece of steel isn’t doing much.
Also, I’m pretty sure recruitment is low because young people don’t want to go to war. Not because they weren’t tipped off about the military opportunities by Dale Ernheardt, Jr.
@KWilliams
“plutocratic elite”
lol,the only elitists are the union scum who think they are indispensible,on the taxpayer dime. How does it feel to be played by the big commie union bosses like Trumka and Andy Stearn.
More and more colleges aren’t letting the Armed Forces on campus.If a few million dollars in NASCAR advertising encourages some young Americans to enlist and help protect our a$$es from Islam I consider it money well spent.
“Abortion Macht Frei”
Well Mike R., well have to agree to disagree. I still doubt nascar ad’s do anything for enlistment rates. Further, I’ve only heard of 2 schools not allowing ROTC, and one of them just allowed them back after 14 years. Fact of the matter is that people don’t want to go to war. They don’t believe in this war. Iraq is in shambles. Afganhistan pulsates the same neverending vibes as Vietnam.
Um Mr. Uncivil,
Thats not what I meant by plutocractic elite. Yea, some unions are too powerful, but when you are talking about teachers educating your children, and policemen and firemen as integrel members of our community, I side with them. I side with Wisconsin blue-collar workers. I don’t side with a scumbag governer grovelling at the heels of the Koch brothers who doled out 140m in corporate handouts before attempting to strip collective bargaining rights from a group of people who already said they’d pay more into their benefits.
Even if ROTC is allowed on every campus in America there is still low enlistment.Somehow we must do something to encourage people to enlist and help relieve our soldiers, some who have done many tours.
To KWlliams–
Arguing that because miscarriages occur, it’s okay to abort a fetus (which has all the DNA it needs to mature from embryo to fetus to newborn to child to teenager to adult to senior citizen) is like saying that because people die natural deaths it’s okay to murder someone.
Mike,
What part of American citizens do not want to sign up for war isn’t really clear? The country is in two unpopular, stagnant wars. Unless, people wanna kick off the draft again (which I’m sure many here wouldn’t mind), no amount of advertisements are going to change things.
The youth generation these days are fairly well-informed. After the initial 9/11 attacks for a few years, enlistment peaked. It’s been on a very steady decline for the past 5 years. The wars themselves, Wikileaks, Abu Ghraib are monumental issues which a few dollars thrown at NASCAR events with taxpayer money isn’t going to fix.
I’d say the most patriotic thing to be done would be to recall many of these men and women home. Bring them home to their families and save the 1 MILLION dollars a year it costs to keep each soldier overseas.
Might not fix it but it sure can’t hurt. Any benefit at all helps America.How does funding to planned parenthood help America? Abortion would still be legal as far I can tell.
Even if abortion is not federally funded, it still won’t be illegal. To make it illegal it would have to be overturned by the Supreme Court, which it won’t. Especially since it is barred from being brought before them again (cases and controversy doctrine). All it will do is make it harder for a woman to afford an abortion. It won’t change much of everything outside of creating a burden on woman.
How does abortion help America? Well it takes children that would most likely be in need of government help out of the equation. It creates a relax on the welfare, ebt and other social programs. It allows a woman to continue or education or job and be a productive member of society. Plus in many inner city areas, Planned Parenthood is a place where people can go to learn about and acquire contraceptives and safe sex practices, thereby preventing many women from having to choose an abortion later down the line.
KWilliams says…”Planned Parenthood is a place where…”
nearly 400,00 murders occur per year…
BTW… isn’t that Philly abortionist going down for murder…
yeah…. that one… the one who killed babies…
Rob,
Why do you talk only in snippets? And what is with the extensive use of ellipses? Do you write the back covers to fiction novels for a living? Tool.
“out of the equation”. One would think that you, as a “progressive”, would favor more welfare and social programs.Seems contradictory of you.
@KWilliams
How is a relax created?
Never mind. I know what you mean. If all those unwanted poor babies are aborted they don’t need WIC, etc. Hmmm…. Sounds like eugenics to me.
Let’s agree that poor people need education, job opportunities, and access to primary health care. Access to abortion is another thing altogether.
Those of us who see abortion as murder should not have to pay for it with our tax dollars. Even if efforts to remove tax support for Planned Parenthood succeed, more needs to be done.
In the days when slavery was legal, I’m sure slave owners said to abolitionists, “If you don’t like slavery, don’t buy one.”
On the day Robert E. Lee surrendered to U.S. Grant slave owners did not concede that owning slaves was immoral, but making slavery illegal helped advance the idea that it was immoral.
Hey, sorry I was out for a couple of hours and missed all the fun with KWilliams!
I told you the Media Matters Drones would show up here after The Great One praised WeaselZippers.
@KWilliams; you sure ramble on and on and on. How about answering one simple questions (succinctly, please).
Why should we, who believe abortion is murder (regardless of what you think), be forced to pay for such murder?
If you want to murder babies (and yes, we believe fetus’s are human babies) do so on your own time and with your own money. You can take it up with your maker when the time comes.
Mr. Mike R.
Of course, I want social programs in order to safeguard people in need from physical, financial, mental bankruptcy and ruin. I also would like a balanced budget, and trillions of dollars of debt out of Chinas hands, and probably a lot of the things everyone wants before we were all pitted against each other.
Just because I advocate social programs doesn’t mean that I advocate the abuse or the burdening of those programs. They should be in place to help people who need it. They shouldn’t to be over extended or abused or used as a fallback plan.
Yea, ‘out of the equation’ is a bit crude, but you get what I am saying. It prvents potential children who would be born into a cyclical pattern of poverty from being born. Abortion also allows women who want to obtain an education or pursue a career the freedom to do that if an accidental pregnancy occurs.
murdering bastards
What’s an accidental pregnancy? No birth control method is 100% effective. If you copulate, even using birth control, you take the risk of the woman becoming pregnant. If you aren’t prepared for that outcome, don’t have sex.
There you go ,the first thing we agree on “prevents potential children”. Personally I don’t like the sound of that.What a shame you and others like you do.
Sb,
Who is the great one? To be personal for a second. I read the NYT, Wa Post, Huffpo everyday. I work a job that allows that. I come here once in a blue moon to see what the Faaaaaaar other end is doing, how they are framing things, and to better understand the national politics that bewilder me everyday. I’ve been visiting here since the elections and most time leave disgusted.
As for your question, I believe that Planned Parenthood just be government funded for the same reason that I believe any social program deserves to be. It is in place to aid people who can’t help themselves. With any social program there will be people who take advantage of the system, but this is the very small minority (as infuriating as it may be to read about). Very succintly, Planned Parenthood is necessary because it helps young women who are in a vulnerable and desperate place, who are not in a position to help themselves. Like I mentioned before, most of the pro-life people I know, myself included, would not choose an abortion if our girlfriends/wives became pregnant unexpectedly. However, we understand that the option should be there for women who are in need.
Beth,
Is this the 1800′s. When has abstinence in the History Of Time (literally, I’m open to any time frame of human existence) been taught and obeyed. Youthful people, just like we were once, are going to engage in sex. Even protected its not 100% fail proof. That is a faulty argument for whether abortion should be funded or not? Let alone legal.
MikeR
Man, I thought we were having a fairly civilized conversation…
Plus if you agree with the term ‘potential children’ then you agree with the word ‘potential’, which means that it is NOT yet a child. If its not a child, its not a human being at that moment. Right? Its a fetus. Therefore, its technically not murder in a legal, statutory sense.
Finally. I feel like someone is representing me in our govt. I cannot wait to vote the clown we have as president out and take his AG with him. It is unfortunate I am not able to vote in Nevada and San Fran to get rid of thoes jesters too.
I am so thankful we have Palin, Bachmann, Haley, Walker and Christy. One of thoes should be able to beat the current president.
Well then if you just took offense from my comments let it be known you had me offended from the gitgo.
Fair enough, MikeR.. Attempts to defund Planned Parenthood will happen, but it’ll never be illegal. Learn about the SCOTUS rulings and how it can’t be brought before the court again.
It’s just another attempt by the ignorant in this country to bring us back to the dark ages.
Fetus=human. Children=born humans.But what do I know,I’m “ignorant”.
@KWilliams; “Get off the computer, you big dope!”
@ the rest of you guys: I couldn’t wait to do that!
@KWilliams
K– Logic is logic, whether it’s 2011 or 1865.
Smokers are prohibited from smoking in restaurants. Why? Because second hand smoke has been determined to be a health hazard to non-smokers. One perosn’s behavior has ramifications for other people. A person smoking in a public space is now seen as a malefactor.
We live in a society convinced that sexual behavior has no ramifications for anyone other than those involved in specific and particular sexual acts. But sexual behavior does have implications for other people, most immediately the child conceived.
Why would you argue that a moral stance (promoting abstinence) needs to be predicated primarily on efficacy? Just because people lie, and always have, doesn’t make lying okay.
I’ll never forget the conversation recounted from a guy whose wife was friends with a moonbat lib, who was militant about abortion “rights.”
When the moonbat finally married and was pregnant, she was reveling in her condition — until my friend looked at her and said, “So, is YOUR baby going to be born alive?” She turned into a blubbering puddle.
Sometimes, the lightbulb goes on.
K–
The “dark ages”…
Here’s a link you might want to visit: http://conancimmerian.blogspot.com/2010/11/top-10-myths-about-middle-ages-not-dark.html
But let’s try to stay on topic.
NASCAR is promoting 15% ethenol gasoline …
Apparently they are earning their funding by promoting the burning of food and the ruination of automobile engines
NASCAR is promoting 15% ethenol gasoline …
Apparently they are earning their funding by promoting the burning of food and the ruination of automobile engines
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KWilliams,
Does a fetal baby have a unique DNA sequence from conception forward?
Science is on Life’s side dipshit. lol.
and if it wasn’t for communist meddling in America, the amount of people in need of a ‘hand out’ in perpetuity would be near non-existent.
Why?
Because private charity, by necessity, encourages the low to take a ‘hand up’ instead of a hand out.
Private charity demands people change their behavior for the better, thus helping to perpetuate charity ‘forward’.
Government charity’s only purpose is to employ professional regreessives who must keep a flock poor to continue making a salary.
Many ‘non-profit’ charity corporations exist for the same reason. Employment for the shepherds of the dependent.
NASCAR is promoting 15% ethenol gasoline …
Apparently they are earning their funding by promoting the burning of food and the ruination of automobile engines
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KWilliams,
Does a fetal baby have a unique DNA sequence from conception forward?
Science is on Life’s side dipshit. lol.
and if it wasn’t for communist meddling in America, the amount of people in need of a ‘hand out’ in perpetuity would be near non-existent.
Why?
Because private charity, by necessity, encourages the low to take a ‘hand up’ instead of a hand out.
Private charity demands people change their behavior for the better, thus helping to perpetuate charity ‘forward’.
Government charity’s only purpose is to employ professional regressives who must keep a flock poor to continue making a salary.
Many ‘non-profit’ charity corporations exist for the same reason. Employment for the shepherds of the dependent.
NASCAR is promoting 15% ethenol gasoline …
Apparently they are earning their funding by promoting the burning of food and the ruination of automobile engines
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KWilliams,
Does a fetal baby have a unique DNA sequence from conception forward?
Science is on Life’s side dipshit. lol.
and if it wasn’t for communist meddling in America, the amount of people in need of a ‘hand out’ in perpetuity would be near non-existent.
Why?
Because private charity, by necessity, encourages the low to take a ‘hand up’ instead of a hand out.
Private individual charity demands people change their behavior for the better, thus helping to perpetuate charity ‘forward’.
Government charity’s only purpose is to employ professional regressives who must keep a flock poor to continue making a salary.
Many ‘non-profit’ charity corporations exist for the same reason. Employment for the shepherds of the dependent.
@ van grungy., Tell us how you really feel but without the double talk LOL.
Similarly, federal funding only provides around 1/4 of the revenue to keep them afloat. – kwilliams
Good. Then they won’t be missing much when it’s gone.
KWilliams says “How does abortion help America? Well it takes children that would most likely be in need of government help out of the equation.”
Taking children out of the equation helps America? How about responsibility for ones actions. It’s a life, now put your big boy pants on and deal with it!
PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS NOTHING BUT A MURDER FOR HIRE ORGANIZED AND SUPPORTED BY THE RACIST COMMIE RAT BASTARDS IN THE DEMONICRAT PARTY.MURDER THOSE LITTLE BLACK SUCKAS FO THAE FIGURE THEM DEMONICRATS BEEN MURDERIN US FO YERS. blackies best wise up fo thay be replaced by mexacalies the mfer mexican pres don’t want.
Hmmmm. Re: KWilliams, and others. . . .
Today, I’ve noticed a rise in trolls on every conservative site I visit. Police are going to round up the fleebaggers, and that has got the lefties buzzin’. Well, they are organized. But still, A TACTIC PERCEIVED IS NO TACTIC!
Is it too late to abort Obama?
Hey, K…
Here’s another link to further logical discourse re: abortion, personhood, legal standing, etc. Don’t just read it. THINK about what you read.
http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2011/abortion-and-justice.html
Arguing that a fetus is or is not a human life is fine. It is NOT, however, the government’s business. NONE of it. The government should not be involved in funding any of it NOR should the government be involved in preventing it. When every fetus has a social security number it can become the government’s business. This has become way too big an issue when it doesn’t belong there.
“It has the potential to become a human being. But fetuses can not survive outside of the female body until the 3rd trimester”
this has been bothering me for days. this sentence ^ is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
just because a fetus can not survive outside a mother’s body does not give anyone the justification to end it’s development= murder
Humans gestation takes between 37 and 42 weeks. this is because humans are a higher, more developed LIFE FORM then say, a dormouse; Humans have a complex cerebral cortex…
I just wish more humans would use theirs.