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WASHINGTON (AP) — There may be less than meets the eye to President Barack Obama’s statements Monday night that NATO is taking over from the U.S. in Libya and that U.S. action is limited to defending people under attack there by Moammar Gadhafi’s forces.

In transferring command and control to NATO, the U.S. is turning the reins over to an organization dominated by the U.S., both militarily and politically. In essence, the U.S. runs the show that is taking over running the show.

And the rapid advance of rebels in recent days strongly suggests they are not merely benefiting from military aid in a defensive crouch, but rather using the multinational force in some fashion — coordinated or not — to advance an offensive.

Here is a look at some of Obama’s assertions in his address to the nation Monday, and how they compare with the facts:

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OBAMA: “Our most effective alliance, NATO, has taken command of the enforcement of the arms embargo and no-fly zone. … Going forward, the lead in enforcing the no-fly zone and protecting civilians on the ground will transition to our allies and partners, and I am fully confident that our coalition will keep the pressure on Gadhafi’s remaining forces. In that effort, the United States will play a supporting role.”

THE FACTS: As by far the pre-eminent player in NATO, and a nation historically reluctant to put its forces under operational foreign command, the United States will not be taking a back seat in the campaign even as its profile diminishes for public consumption.

NATO partners are bringing more into the fight. But the same “unique capabilities” that made the U.S. the inevitable leader out of the gate will continue to be in demand. They include a range of attack aircraft, refueling tankers that can keep aircraft airborne for lengthy periods, surveillance aircraft that can detect when Libyans even try to get a plane airborne, and, as Obama said, planes loaded with electronic gear that can gather intelligence or jam enemy communications and radars.

The United States supplies 22 percent of NATO’s budget, almost as much as the next largest contributors — Britain and France — combined. A Canadian three-star general was selected to be in charge of all NATO operations in Libya. His boss, the commander of NATO’s Allied Joint Force Command Naples, is an American admiral, and the admiral’s boss is the supreme allied commander Europe, a post always held by an America

OBAMA: “Our military mission is narrowly focused on saving lives.”

THE FACTS: Even as the U.S. steps back as the nominal leader, reduces some assets and fires a declining number of cruise missiles, the scope of the mission appears to be expanding and the end game remains unclear.

Despite insistences that the operation is only to protect civilians, the airstrikes now are undeniably helping the rebels to advance. U.S. officials acknowledge that the effect of air attacks on Gadhafi’s forces — and on the supply and communications links that support them — is useful if not crucial to the rebels. “Clearly they’re achieving a benefit from the actions that we’re taking,” Navy Vice Adm. William Gortney, staff director for the Joint Chiefs, said Monday.

The Pentagon has been turning to air power of a kind more useful than high-flying bombers in engaging Libyan ground forces. So far these have included low-flying Air Force AC-130 and A-10 attack aircraft, and the Pentagon is considering adding armed drones and helicopters.

Obama said “we continue to pursue the broader goal of a Libya that belongs not to a dictator, but to its people,” but spoke of achieving that through diplomacy and political pressure, not force of U.S. arms.

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OBAMA: Seeking to justify military intervention, the president said the U.S. has “an important strategic interest in preventing Gadhafi from overrunning those who oppose him. A massacre would have driven thousands of additional refugees across Libya’s borders, putting enormous strains on the peaceful – yet fragile – transitions in Egypt and Tunisia.” He added: “I am convinced that a failure to act in Libya would have carried a far greater price for America.”

THE FACTS: Obama did not wait to make that case to Congress, despite his past statements that presidents should get congressional authorization before taking the country to war, absent a threat to the nation that cannot wait.

“The president does not have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” he told The Boston Globe in 2007 in his presidential campaign. “History has shown us time and again … that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the legislative branch.”

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, said Sunday that the crisis in Libya “was not a vital national interest to the United States, but it was an interest.”

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OBAMA: “And tonight, I can report that we have stopped Gadhafi’s deadly advance.”

THE FACTS: The weeklong international barrage has disabled Libya’s air defenses, communications networks and supply chains. But Gadhafi’s ground forces remain a potent threat to the rebels and civilians, according to U.S. military officials.

Army Gen. Carter Ham, the top American officer overseeing the mission, told The New York Times on Monday that “the regime still overmatches opposition forces militarily. The regime possesses the capability to roll them back very quickly. Coalition air power is the major reason that has not happened.”

Only small numbers of Gadhafi’s troops have defected to the opposition, Ham said.

At the Pentagon, Vice Adm. William Gortney, staff director for the Joint Chiefs, said the rebels are not well organized. “It is not a very robust organization,” he said. “So any gain that they make is tenuous based on that.”

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OBAMA: “Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as president, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action.”

THE FACTS: Mass violence against civilians has also been escalating elsewhere, without any U.S. military intervention anticipated.

More than 1 million people have fled the Ivory Coast, where the U.N. says forces loyal to the incumbent leader, Laurent Gbagbo, have used heavy weapons against the population and more than 460 killings have been confirmed of supporters of the internationally recognized president, Alassane Ouattara.

The Obama administration says Gbagbo and Gadhafi have both lost their legitimacy to rule. But only one is under attack from the U.S.

Presidents typically pick their fights according to the crisis and circumstances at hand, not any consistent doctrine about when to use force in one place and not another. They have been criticized for doing so — by Obama himself.

In his pre-presidential book “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama said the U.S. will lack international legitimacy if it intervenes militarily “without a well-articulated strategy that the public supports and the world understands.”

He questioned: “Why invade Iraq and not North Korea or Burma? Why intervene in Bosnia and not Darfur?”

Now, such questions are coming at him.

HT: Dan

Posted by ZIP on Tuesday, March 29, 2011, at 9:16 am | Like Tweet

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19 comments
  1. Greg says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:21 am

    That’s nice AP. Where were you to fact check Obama before he got to the White House?

  2. Pat Hickey says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:22 am

    “Uncle!! Uncle! . . .UNCLE!!!!!!!!!!! Okay I’ ll say it . . . For generations, the United States of America has played a unique role as an anchor of global security and as an advocate for human freedom. . . . UNCLE!!!!!!!!!!!”

  3. pre-Boomer Marine brat says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Why invade Libya, and not Chicago?

  4. Sickofislam says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Ouch! Is the tide starting to turn (and show) against Hussein??

  5. iwillnotsubmit says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:32 am

    In opposing gadhafi, obama is siding with, and supporting, al-qaeda. The rebels have members fighting gadhafi who fought the US in Afghanistan. The hypocrisy on the left is astounding.

  6. whthfk says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:41 am

    See how this is worded.—->Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates,

    Not Americas defense secretary so this man only defends obama.. at least that’s how it read to me.

    Everyone in higher office right now riding on the obama wagon are only there so serve as obama’s defenders… No one ,not a one of them care about America.

    The part that really pisses me off is most of these people were working in these fields in one capacity or another and they have never been serving the interest of America.. only undermining it…

    We have so much work to do rooting out every single traitor and supporter of the Socialism once we take America back from these Communist Marxist.

    It is going to be interesting to see how all this plays out for 2012.

    I so wonder .. how did they move up the ladder or success having these deep rooted Anti- American beliefs?

  7. whthfk says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:42 am

    of Socialism not the.

    To serve obama.

  8. Nick Shaw says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:43 am

    As Greg says, where was this insightful analysis of Zero when he was running for president? Hypocritical hacks!

  9. The Original says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:47 am

    During the Bosnia War, our forces were under the UN. Clark was the commander, but he was under UN authority. This is nothing new. I didn’t like it then. Don’t like it now. US forces should NEVER be under the authority of anyone else.

  10. Linda says:
    March 29, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Ditto to the response from the first comment – Greg.

  11. ER says:
    March 29, 2011 at 10:15 am

    I’m not seeing the “shredding.” If we’re going to remain in the UN & NATO at all, then per their purposes, this is exactly the type of situation where we should have acted & the manner in which we should have acted, through the alliance of affected nations. That the US is “the pre-eminent player of NATO” (though in some ways, that’s debatable) is a very good thing in this situation & nothing Obama denied.

  12. Texmom says:
    March 29, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “Why invade Libya, and not Chicago?” Great line:)
    I still believe this is a global governance move and we will see further action in any country that is not currently led by the “right” person.

  13. kansas says:
    March 29, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Is this some type of first, for the AP to actually fact check Obama? I don’t want to get too excited. They will get flaccid and smoke a cigarette.

  14. schnitzelgirl says:
    March 29, 2011 at 11:46 am

    “Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as president, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action.”

    Next up: Mexico.
    Since 2008, the cartels have slaughtered over 7000 people in Juarez alone. That is more than the number of American soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq combined since 2001.

  15. GRIZZ says:
    March 29, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    @ scnitzelgirl.

    he thinks Juarez is around the world

  16. Credit Man says:
    March 29, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    ( @ whthfk:)

    How we got this way is probably more simple than it looks. For years conservatives have been working and trying to make a living. A level of living that we know can be done.

    We have simply put our politics on cruise control and hoped every thing would work out by our representative government. It now appears that that time is over. We all must be active in our government. The one reason I can point to is this: The left in general doesn’t work. Therefore they have a lot of time to be active in politics.

    I have a real feeling that the reason Hilary announced her departure was the fact that she can see the end of the ruling political class coming. The picture isn’t pretty (ala camelot) and she would like to distance herself from the end.

  17. Diamond Girl says:
    March 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Greg…

    Hear, Hear!

  18. Random in Texas says:
    March 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    There are reasons (other than issues of national pride) why US troops should NEVER be place under the command of leaders from other countries. Almost without exception , commanders from other countries are not qualified to command and lead US forces. No other country on Earth has the combination of forces, capability, technology, training, and doctrine needed to effectively and efficiently employ US forces. Putting US forces under foreign command not only leads to a less effective force, it also places our forces in greater danger of casualties due to misuse.

  19. dnacleo says:
    March 29, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    saddam killed many more of his own people but it was bad to take him out.
    what we should have done there and with libya is a seal/sas team and a few sniper bullets.
    despots be dead….

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