Prominent Egyptian Cleric: Islam “Prefers Immoral, Licentious Men”…
Sorry CAIR/lefties, you can’t accuse us of “Islamophobia” for quoting Muslim religious leaders own words.
Via Translating Jihad:
If there are two men, and one of them is stronger spiritually, while the other is stronger physically, (the latter) is more beneficial to that nation. In war, for example, the strong man offers his courage, even if he is immoral or licentious. The weak man (only) offers his impotence, even if he is faithful.
Listen to the response of Imam Ahmad (may Allah have mercy on him), for the Shaykh of Islam (i.e. Ibn Taymiyya) based his ruling on this fatwa from his Shaykh, the Shaykh for the Sunnis, Imam Ahmad. Imam Ahmad was asked about two men, who were leaders in a raid. One of them was a strong, immoral man. The other was a weak, righteous man. With which one would he go into battle? Imam Ahmad said: “As for the strong, immoral man, his strength benefits the Muslims, while his immorality only hurts himself. But as for the weak, righteous man, his righteousness only benefits himself, while his weakness hurts the Muslims.” Thus the Imam said he would go to battle with the strong, immoral man. I hope this answer is clear. The Prophet (peace be upon him), said the same thing in the two Sahihs (Muslim and al-Bukhari), “Allah will support this religion through an immoral man.”
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“Allah will support this religion through an immoral man.”
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If Jihadists are ‘un-Islamic’ and it’s OK, then what could be more un-Islamic than an Infidel?
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Hey, this religion sounds perfect for democrats!
If we promised to shout “Allah Akbar” before hand, may we lay waste to the entire Middle East?
Just what is the difference between the Infidel actions that Islamists condemn, and the actions of the Islamist?
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Goes to show that it’s not a religion at all but more of a “Death cult” that deals in immorality and killing.
It sounds like all he is saying is that “The ends justify the means.”
But if there are no means followed on one side, why would the opposing side follow any? If Islamists believe that Infidels are subhuman trash and promise to wash the earth of every last one, then shouldn’t they wait until they are in a position of power to admit it?
If no agreement is possible between Islamists and Infidels, then why shouldn’t the Infidels totally destroy the threat?
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Whereas all other religions and philosophies are a system of means by which followers achieve enlightenment, is he saying that Islam is a system of ends only?
Then why should anyone choose to follow Islam? What’s in it for them if not ‘Peace of Mind’?
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Couldn’t we achieve the same ends, the complete destruction of the earth and all civilization, by simply setting everything on fire?
Since when does anarchy require any organization?
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I hate to say it, but Imam Ahmad has a point. Makes him look like a bloody hypocrite, but he does have a point. I wonder if the immoral man would have to yell Allahu Akbar before leading his fellow muzzies into battle? Or would he be able to say “let’s hurry up and get this over with, cause I need a drink real bad.”
Law and order, the respect for human life, the sense of personal security that allows everyone to leave the house without fearing for their life, is a MEANS and not an END.
People only follow any system because of the means. Even if it’s only a matter of coming to terms with their own temporary existence in this world, the means are all that matters.
The rule of law is what makes civilization possible. Those laws are a system of means.
Only the Evilest of Evil places the Ends before the means; Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, Castro, Kim Jung Il, Mao Tse Tung………..hey, i think i see a pattern here.
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“Strong immoral man”?
Where does strength come into play ?
It doesnt take much of any kind of man to strap a bunch of bombs to his ass and blow up a mall full of innocent people, or fly planes into buildings, or plant IEDs.
Just what the hell is this guy talking about ?
There are no hand to hand combats in the fields with these gutless wonders
The only prerequisite for their jihad is to be a spineless coward.
Soon as their asses get locked up at Gitmo they’re so freaking grateful just to eat and have clean cloths n beds they sing like freaking canaries.
No suprise. Who is described in islam as “the perfect man?” Mohammed was NOT a righteous man– he was a thief, pedophile, liar, hypocrite, warlord/dictator. THIS is what muslims aspire to.
This is the real crux of the matter. REAL religion or spirituality is the pursuit of becoming a better human being by controlling one’s animal instincts (ultimately, making them serve good purposes). islam, on the other hand, encourages men to let their animal urges have free expression, and calls it a good thing. No wonder people in the islamic world act like toddlers. Their “religion” does not require them to grow up or act like human beings.
The goat said, “Word.”
They’re all immoral pedophilic goat fucking festering pus oozing boils on humanity’s ass.
BREAKING NEWS- All Goats have been seen covering their assholes and running to the hills!
This actually works out great for us. We’re only dropping bombs on the immoral Muslims in the east, and middle east.
Allah protects all the moral Muslims from harm.
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“God supports this religion through an immoral man,”
there is nothing more controversial about this statement other than that an individual could have personal failings, such as an addiction or trouble controlling his lusts (etc.), but could nonetheless have superior skills in organizing or other acumen which could benefit one’s community.
Or it could mean that someone who is thoroughly evil, like a hate-spouting right wing pundit, could indirectly support the cause of Islam through alienating decent, fair-minded people by his hate speech.
Either way, the whole “ends justify the means” thing that some of you idiots have suggested has no application here. And either way, your inclusion of the word “licentious” was just a cheap, lurid gimmick, as it has no relation to the subject matter.
I know the whole Internet world gives you dumb cows a tiny pasture to congregate and chew up your hateful ignorant cud; I also know insults don’t change people- but just so you know, in the eyes of educated people- your kind are irrelevent, meaningless drones…
Of course they prefer immoral men, hello men can marry six year old little girls and rape them at will as long as said union is Sharia Law complaint. The religion of hatred and evilness.
Malay Child
“but just so you know, in the eyes of educated people- your kind are irrelevent, meaningless drones…”
Yeah, you speak of education like the typical moonbat who doesnt know the difference between having an education and knowing how to tie your shoe laces while defending idiots who think theres 72 virgins waiting for each of them (This involves basic math and procreation stats,try it, the odds are impossible)
A couple hundred years ago Christians were burning people at the stake and placing Scarlett letters on women. Thousands of years ago we just as crazy as these camel jockies today
I’d say weve progressed a little since then. Islam….
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(And dont give me that “illegal war” occupation” bullshit)
Malay Child;
“Either way, the whole “ends justify the means” thing that some of you idiots have suggested has no application here.”
Of course it applies you fool
People have used religion as an excuse for some of the most horrific acts in history.
@Malay Child
Spoken like a true religious member of CAIR.!!!!
So soak your head in a tub of Pork lard!!
I think the primary point is that “The righteous man only benefits himself”. No other religion in the world thinks in those terms both in the tangible world or in the esoteric.
You lead the battle with the immoral man? Isn’t he the religious man’s foe if one is are fighting G-d’s war?
Anyway, just remember that Islam believes the rewards in the afterlife are all they claim to to revile (in others!) in this life.
Malay equals Muslim
Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines and Indonesia, they all could
be modern paradises if they were’nt infested with Malay.
Hmmm…a top Muslim cleric, someone who has spent their life devoted to studying his religion, who couldn’t possibly misunderstand it says that his religion is best served by violent men, whether they are evil or not.
Yet we’re Islamophobic if we insist Islam is violent and evil.
Ah, yes, “we can win using immoral men, if they are strong–if we use moral men who are weak, we will lose”–in other words, it is about winning at all costs.
It doesn’t matter if your warriors “defile” your religion–”if they win, everything’s okay with me”. So speaketh the Egyptian cleric (who is not alone in thinking this, you can be sure of that).
I am truly sorry.
I confess that I am not smart enough to follow this stupid fucking liberal bizarro-world logic.
Just keep things simple. SHOOT ALL THE MUZZIES.
@Malaychild……..May you meet a drone soon…..the predator kind.
This is why they get a lot of recruits from prisons.
Poor Malay child!
His “religion” (actually, a totalitarian program for Arab supremacy and conquest) has been exposed as the immoral, bloodthirsty farce that it is!
Apparently, the creepy Moslem thinkers who approve of strong, immoral men, and depise “weak”, spiritual ones, can’t grasp the concept of a man who’se both moral and strong!
I don’t think Islam produces much of the latter.
Exactly, RazarX!
Islam appeals to brutes, lechers and bullies, who want to be able to indulge their evil impulses to the full, without having to feel guilty—indeed, with the complete approval of their “religion” (which is no real religion), which tells them the more infidels they murder, rape and enslave, the greater their reward in Allah’s luxury hotel/brothel paradise will be.
It’s a religion tailor-made for criminals.
But not for the strong and righteous, be they powerful young men, or frail (but spiritually strong) little old ladies.
Why oh why does America exercise caution and restraint when dealing with the muzzy scum? JUST BLOW EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING ONE OF THEM TO PIECES AND OPEN A FUCKING LIBRARY FULL OF LOVELY KAFFIR KNOWLEDGE KING ON THE SMOULDERING ASHES OF THEIR MOTHERS’ CORPSES SO THE REST OF US CAN GET ON WITH OUR LIVES. PLEASE.
Thank you.
Jes, but this man wil go too hell !
Sahih Bukhariolume 5, Book 59, Number 515:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
We witnessed (the battle of) Khaibar. Allah’s Apostle said about one of those who were with him and who claimed to be a Muslim. “This (man) is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire.” When the battle started, that fellow fought so violently and bravely that he received plenty of wounds. Some of the people were about to doubt (the Prophet’s statement), but the man, feeling the pain of his wounds, put his hand into his quiver and took out of it, some arrows with which he slaughtered himself (i.e. committed suicide). Then some men amongst the Muslims came hurriedly and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Allah has made your statement true so-and-so has committed suicide. “The Prophet said, “O so-and-so! Get up and make an announcement that none but a believer will enter Paradise and that Allah may support the religion with an unchaste (evil) wicked man.
“Sorry CAIR/lefties, you can’t accuse us of “Islamophobia” for quoting Muslim religious leaders own words.”
Uh… they can, they have, and they will.
Funny how when a bearded bedouin c*** with his hands fondling a 6 year old says it, it’s Islam. When we quote it, it’s Islamophobia….