Oslo: 91 Dead — Suddenly the shooter is a “Christian fundamentalist” with “anti-Muslim views”
Remarking the obvious: No branch of Christianity calls for violence, contra Islam. The dominant left-stream media has been itching for a Western mass-murderer since 9-11 and every attack subsequent to it. Now they have a suspect with blonde hair — it follows therefore that he must espouse Christianity, which is as stinky an argument as 6 tons of fertilizer.
SUNDVOLLEN, Norway (AP) — The 32-year-old man suspected in bomb and shooting attacks that killed at least 91 people in Norway bought six tons of fertilizer before the massacres, the supplier said Saturday as police investigated witness accounts of a second shooter.
Norway’s prime minister and royal family visited grieving relatives of the scores of youth gunned down in a horrific killing spree on an idyllic island retreat. A man who said he was carrying a knife was detained by police officers outside the hotel, as the shell-shocked Nordic nation was gripped by reports that Norwegian gunman may not have acted alone.
The suspect in police custody — a blonde blue-eyed Norwegian with reported Christian fundamentalist, anti-Muslim views — is suspected in both the shootings at Utoya island and a massive explosion that ripped through an Oslo high-rise building housing the prime minister’s office two hours earlier, killing seven people. He has been preliminarily charged with acts of terrorism.
Oddny Estenstad, a spokeswoman for agricultural material supplier Felleskjopet, confirmed Saturday that the suspect in custody purchased six tons of fertilizer 10 weeks ago. Artificial fertilizer is highly explosive and can be used in homemade bombs.
Estenstad said police were alerted to the purchase after it emerged the man was suspected of the deadly attacks.
On the island of Utoya, panicked teens attending a Labour Party youth wing summer camp plunged into the water or played dead to avoid the assailant in the assault that may have lasted 30 minutes before a SWAT team arrived, police said.
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said the twin attacks made Friday peacetime Norway’s deadliest day.
He was visibly shaken as he described his meeting with surviving victims of the shooting spree and families of children who had been on the island.
“This is very difficult for me because it’s a very, very demanding situation to meet so many people that are hurting so much,” he said, his voice trembling as he recited tales he had heard of how people had tried to hide from the killer to survive.
The toll in both attacks reached 91 Saturday, and police said that could still rise as they search the waters around the island for more bodies. Acting Police Chief Roger Andresen said he did not how many people were still missing. The Oslo University hospital said it has so far received 11 wounded from the bombing and 16 people from the camp shooting.
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If Christians are now the newest violent thugs in Norway, does this mean they get a ‘protected class’ status too?
Does everyone have to kiss their ass now?
Can Norwegian socialists be prosecuted for being “intolerant” and ‘Christaphobic’?
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Weasel Meister, you are absolutely correct, this is a work of propaganda against Christianity.
Why would an “anti-Muslim” shoot so many blonde people?
Ohhhh the confusion in their little pea-brains when they find out that he was working with radical muslims! Holy crap what are they going to say then?? What will teh narrative be at that point? Radical christian churches and “prayer meetings” are turning America into Norway?
On the other hand… I was just thinking about Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He was involved with the failed bombing attempt on Adolf Hitler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
Somehow I have a gut feeling that this guy was not inspired by Bonhoeffer, but we will see…
I went to sleep last night and the report was it was a lone wolf, Arizona shooting style wacko and when I wake up he’s now a “Right Wing Extremist”? It certainly didn’t take the Liberal Media to jump on this one. Hell, they’ve been waiting, foaming at the month waiting on something like this. I’m calling BS on a lot of the information that the media is putting out.
As of this moment this sick guy is a lonewolf who’s motivations are most likely purely political and not religious. Won’t stop the MSM from using this one persons actions to smear and taint all conservatives and Christians worldwide, the marching orders are already afoot, vis-a-vis ‘Jared Loughner’.
The only thing missing is a Scandi Sheriff Dupnik.
Aw yes, he must be Christian Tea Party member.
If you want to barf, go read the comments on Fox News about this “white guy.”
Here is a typical example of moonbattery at its finest:
Feminist Foundation for Freedom, Faith, and Family Violence is what happens when men go to church instead of the opera.
“Why would an “anti-Muslim” shoot so many blonde people?”
A Norwegian reporter on FOX was just describing how the country is naive when it comes to its vulnerabilities.
At the same time the Norwegians have been having problems with a steady increase of Muslim culture imposing on their society.
I still say this guy thought he was trying to teach them all a lesson before what he thought was inevitable would happen.
He was simply portraying a Muslim attack for them
Oddny Estenstad, a spokeswoman for agricultural material supplier Felleskjopet, confirmed Saturday that the suspect in custody purchased six tons of fertilizer 10 weeks ago. Artificial fertilizer is highly explosive and can be used in homemade bombs.
Estenstad said police were alerted to the purchase after it emerged the man was suspected of the deadly attacks.
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Why would anyone sell that much fertilizer to one person and then call authorities? Why not contact them before if it seemed very odd?
Perhaps this guy is a fan of Charles Johnson?
If this man is a Christian, what church did he go to?
As to why this guy would target non muslims if he were ‘anti muslim’…maybe the same reason terrorist muslims tend to kill other muslims first and foremost…they are the easiest to reach and get close to without arising suspicion.
plus, they are evil and evil has its own motivations.
sad day.
Teacake says:
July 23, 2011 at 10:08 am
Oddny Estenstad, a spokeswoman for agricultural material supplier Felleskjopet, confirmed Saturday that the suspect in custody purchased six tons of fertilizer 10 weeks ago. Artificial fertilizer is highly explosive and can be used in homemade bombs.
Estenstad said police were alerted to the purchase after it emerged the man was suspected of the deadly attacks.
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Why would anyone sell that much fertilizer to one person and then call authorities? Why not contact them before if it seemed very odd?
I wondered same thing. We cant but ammonium nitrate in bags ever since Oklahoma City
The MSM seems to be having a field day with the phrase “blond haired, blue-eyed”.
Nonetheless, this is a great day for Islam. Even though religion likely played zero part into this attack, the Left finally has an honest to goodness non-Muslim terrorist to balance the scales against the tens of thousands of Muslim terrorists. Defending Muslims and refusing to profile Muslims by invoking the name “McVeigh” was starting to get a bit stale after 15 years, so they’ll get a fresh 15 years out of “that guy in Norway” while Muslims continue their march to impose Sharia on the world.
It sickens me that so many non-Muslims and Muslims alike are giddy today knowing that this one isolated tragedy will wash away 9/11 and the 15000+ Muslim terrorist attacks since and that the slate now reads in their minds:
Evil people that happened to be born Christian: 1, Wonderful Muslims: 0
Well the devils mouthpiece (media) of course would foam at the mouth finding out this guy was a “Christian”. I’m sure that was the first and last thing they wanted to know about the guy to further the agenda.
This guy is a Godsend for the left. This could get interesting and I think that in time information will leak out that will change this whole story.
Shooting Kids? This guy needs to be tortured to get all the info on what happened. There will be a special place in Hell for this guy.
China Shop Bull:
They are trying to make him sound like the type Hitler recruited.
So of course it would fit in with their narrative that he is a Tea Partier, right-wing kook Christian.
The left now has a new McVeigh to reference every time the muzzies kill another infidel…Prayers for those kids and their families…Sheer madness knows no “religion”….Norway abolished capital punishment in 1979. Time to reconsider that???….(Tradition there used to be the convicted murderer was beheaded on a scaffold built at the crime scene)….sounds OK to me for this asshole…….
I think the whole story is fishy. Fresh details will emerge in the coming days. The explanation as it is , does not cut it for me. There is more to this story than is being told at this time.
No doubt this guy will be the inspiration and ressurect the Die Hard movie franchise where it’s never the muzz , always white supremacists, ex-military or Germans and Scandis that are the perps.
Rodger;
“Why would anyone sell that much fertilizer to one person and then call authorities? Why not contact them before if it seemed very odd?”
Hes supposedly a farmer of some sort.
The consensus is that Norwegians are very naive when it comes to these things.
A Norwegian reporter on FOX this morning was describing how naive they are in that the Norwegian Prime Minister walks down the street like anyone else to grab a cup of coffee.
Right after the bombings a guy with a knife headed for him was just a couple blocks away while he was out on the street.
I think homeboy was pissed that these guys werent more on the ball over a clear and present danger rising in his community so he gave them a taste of it.
With that you can only conclude that the guy was no more Cristian than Hitler claimed to be
gman says:
“The left now has a new McVeigh to reference every time the muzzies kill another infidel”
Too bad math puts them at a disadvantage
And it never occurs to the media to ask why a “Christian” who hates Muslims would not blow up Muslims but instead blow up his own….???
Something to remember about all of this is that it’s speculation based on his alleged Facebook page and his one Twitter post. Until the cops confirm that it was set up from his (mom’s) house using his computer, we won’t know for sure. BTW, “fundamentalist” Christians (and Roman Catholics, BTW) do not support Freemasonry.
Another problem is the tie between the Muslims and McVeigh were never brought to light. This was intentional to ensure the left always had their “white, Christian” boogeyman.
I smell a convert to the religion of pieces myself. We may never know though given the way the media operates.
I call BULLSHIT on this, Gee did he have help. Do you have any Idea how difficult it is to make a Horseshit Bomb. no way he did it himself. just like Mcveigh did it by himself. Smells like crap and its hard to get down….must be crap. for some reason I dont think this Bozo had the skills required. he probably ordered the junior okc package from the ATF website, maybe he had a coupon. ohh sorry they just sell Guns
Let the burning of Christians at the stake commence.
I just read the story about the shooter in the Nowegian newspaper, “Dagbladet.”. What a skewed leftist rag! The author of the story says that “the Vienna [sic] School” is an anti-Muslim ideology that the shooter believes in. When did Friederich Hayek or Ludwig Von Mises ever write anything about Islam? They wrote about free market economics, but that wouldn’t fit the leftist Norwegian media’s narrative!
HMMMMMM…we give flying lessons to individuals that don’t want to know how to land a plane and Norway sells “six tons of fertilizer 10 weeks ago” but just reports that after the buyer is in custody. (thinking about the deeper life and world meaning of all of this)
He’s some kind of manturian dupe for the U.N. His profile seems to have come from nowhere, and he’s just too perfect. He’s 100% exactly what the U.N. needs to further their anti gun agenda.
I don’t know what to believe, but something is weird and fishy. I know I’m grasping at straws, but…something doesn’t fit.
Damn! That’s the third Bull-O-Meter this week that’s exploded……..
Artificial fertilizer is highly explosive and can be used in homemade bombs.
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He would have needed fuel oil to make the ANFO…
ANFO… Ammonium Nitrate/Fuel Oil… is highly explosive…
ANFO can not be used as a fertilizer
of course if he did use ANFO…
which is a high order explosive… and needs a significant boost to detonate…
he would have needed an initiator… to trigger a lower order explosive…
to get the ANFO to detonate
its a very complex process…
and he didn’t use 6 tons in the expolsion…
it was only 200 to 500 pounds of ANFO…
are we absolutely certain that George Bush wasn’t involved? does anyone know where he was yesterday? can anyone prove he wasn’t in Norway. if nobody can prove he wasn’t involved, i think it’s safe to say George Bush and the Jooos probably tricked this young man into doing what he did.
/sarc
You know that they’ll all be shutting up real fast when they sniff out his background – just like all the other “lone wolves”.
Maybe not Muzzy, but perhaps global warming?
The daily mail in UK has this list already compiled
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017938/Norway-attacks-Survivors-tell-police-attacks-different-areas-Utoya.html
scroll down to the blue area “timeline of terror”. It’s a timeline of non muzzy terror, this is gearing up to be a major push. The U.N. is behind this, I can feel it.
I think it is fascinating how the media headlines that he is white, blond, blue eyed, and call him a right winger. But imagine them saying about a Muslim terrorist tan, dark brown hair, brown eyes, and calling him a left winger even if he was wearing an Obama tee shirt.
Liz, look at this article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017969/Survivor-tells-played-dead-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-shot-back.html
how many times do they call out his hair and eyes. I get it I get it, he’s not a typical muslim. WOW!!!
A person is not ‘born’ a Christian. You may be born into a Christian home, but being, or becoming, a Christian is a personal declaration in your life and then you are re-born spiritually as a Christian. Going to church does not make you a Christian. Being a Christian is a way of life.
I am not going to believe much of this until some more time passes. It was my understanding that Norway was getting their groove thing on in deporting some very dangerous Muslims, and many were not happy about this. Not to mention the very real fact that Muslim terrorists are not all Middle Eastern in appearance. We have reports in this country that Muslim conversions in our prisons are extremely high. Some of these prisoners are white and Hispanic. Then there are the Chinese terrorists, the Uygurs, and of course the Chechnian terrorists in Russia, and of course the terrorists in Bosnia. So, IMHO, people need to wait and see. I am waiting for STRATFOR to get more info out before I come to any solid conclusion what was motivating this evil.
Of course they are going to say this guy is a Christian, they did the same thing with McVeigh as others here have already said, and in addition, they do the same thing when an abortion clinic is bombed. The Left and the radicals in Europe have to manufacture the other terrorist end of the spectrum in order to justify the insane reasoning, or rationality they utilize when screaming at Conservatives, and in particular Christians, that we too have terrorists in our midst. Which of course is total bullshit.
HOWEVER, I would remind everyone here that a nice little book called, “The Coming Insurrection” was created for the purpose to reflect upon chaos, the creation of chaos, to encourage others to kill, and to create enormous problems for people living in Europe. It is not entirely impossible that this guy is a neo-Nazi type, or a radical fascist who leans heavily towards the thinking and ideology in “The Coming Insurrection”.
The true Right, true Christians, they do not and would not perform such an act on defenseless peoples. It is true that Christians have killed people IN SELF-DEFENSE, but God fearing Christians center their lives around love, the Ten Commandments, and Christ. Killing children is not something Christians preach, and the proof is how hard Christians fight for the rights of the unborn.
This is a good thing that Norway does not have executions. That way they can not snuff him out as quick as Mc Vey.
People sit on Death Row for sometimes decades. The government was more than happy to shut Mc Vey up so he would not flip on the muzzies who helped him out.
And Rob has made some very good points about the explosives and what it takes. He had help.
@Xerocky:
Yea, they’re trying a tad too hard to say this guy wasn’t muslim. And strangely, Nidal Hassan’s mass shooting is nowhere in that timeline.
No. Way. Not buying this. Patsy!!
Although it’s nice that the MSM has set a new precedent for describing terrorists. I’m sure now the other 99% will be repeatedly referred to as “Islamic fundamentalists with anti-Christian views.” Riiiiiiight.
I can only pray for these people and their families!!! That MSM would use this to further their agenda shouldnt come as a surprize, though! Its what they live and breath for…some fair skinned ‘individual’ to lose it and do something stupid so they can then screw the facts and blame it on ALL fair skinned people, while muslims the world over are still raping their own babies, stoning their women and girls for any alleged or percieved slight to their so called ‘honor’, behaeding people who simply chose, as is their HUMAN right, to believe something different the they do, blowing up anyone, anywhere, for any reason to promote their cause….and the lefties never seem to get it…its a simple FACT that could easily be discovered by anyone who simply took the time to look….If sharia law becomes mainstream in America, their (the lefties) the first to go…no homos, no dissent, no other beliefs, no wild women, no education for women and only specific for certain kids….and they promote this insane, inbred ideology as if its something all people should aspire to!!!
So what if dude is white and blond….just as all muslims arent trying to kill everybody…all white folks arent either! I choose to judge a man by how he treats his woman, his kids, his ‘partner’, his friends and family, and how well he takes care of his business…respect in my world is NEVER freely given, except simply human kindness and compassion, its always earned by the individuals behavior! If you carry yourself like a man, I’ll treat you as such…if you dont…kiss my Irish ass! It pisses me off anymore to have to carry a gun everywhere I go simply to be prepared for some stupid shit like this…make no mistake…white, black, green yellow, race creed or color…you go off like this around me, Im going to do my level best to put all of them in the O- ring!!! (and I practice EVERY week with either a S/W 357. or a 40. cal and any number of multiple rounds, long guns))If that means Ive violated your rights or some dumb shit…it’ll be your word against mine…and you wont be here anymore!
We ALL have a God given right to simply be left alone to live in peace, by our own values…killing folks should ONLY be done as a last resort or in self defense!
I was just thinking about the characterization of this man as being a Christian Fundamentalist. The Media characterized Jim Jones as a “Christian Fundamentalist” too when he and his gang committed mass suicide. Jones and the People’s Temple were ardent supporters of the Democratic Party in San Francisco and Jones had dealings with Jimmy Carter’s wife. The truth about Jim Jones was that he was a Communist. Just watch this documentary on him by PBS from the people who were in the People’s Temple. Warning: Jim Jones was a bi-sexual and there is graphic language (quotes from Jones) in this documentary…. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/jonestown-the-life-and-death-of-peoples-temple/
@Xerocky…
The U.N. is behind this, I can feel it.
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Been thinking the same thing…
Nobel Prize country… UN agenda…
good start to gear up the Labour Parties…International Socialists… into action
I’d personally love to see these “Anti-Muslim” statements he’s purported to have.
@Andycanuck
Bing O, freaking Bing O! Andy brings up a great point. Most of what we know about this guy is from a highly dubious Facebook and twitter account with a single quote. I want some hard evidence this guy was a “Christian Fundamentalist”.
And where are these glamour shots of this guy coming from? Is he a blonde blue eyed islamophobic Christian rightwing male model?
The police initially were reported this as being a Libyan job, but that quickly got snuffed out. Then the godforsaken news media came along and pinned it on this guy – whoever the hell he is. But the kicker, according to the media mavens at least, is that this mysterious person had reportedly been on a pro-Israel rant on the Internet.
To say that this whole thing sounds fishy is a mild understatement. One thing is certain, the September timeline leading up to Pal statehood is creating a media circus of magnanimous proportions.
@Porky The Crusader Quote : @Fishy Commentator…
The Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, …lol a far left Church.”
LMAO Porky
Rather convenient, a few days (or day before) Ms. N. says beware of the white terrorist and then a white terrorist strikes.
Ok so lets say for a second hes a right wing, Christian, muslim hating, gun toting, bible thumping Conservative hater.
EVEN IF thats the case, this makes the “score” (for lack of a better term) 1 from our side, compared to how many THOUSANDS of muslims that are killing, beheading, car bombing, declaring jihads, blowing up innocent people???
How about the muslim shooters here in the US? FT Hood, and the guy at the army recruiting office?? Its AMAZING what the left does and does not see.
Very true Shadow, very true, and that is something people constantly forget.
Muslim terrorists Al Shabaab are holding over 400 hostages, and these pirate MUSLIM terrorists have killed many an innocent, and this would include 4 Christian people sailing on their privately owned boat. Where was all the attention to Muslims killing Christians then? And where is all the attention from the MSM types on what Zip often brings to the forefront regarding the attacks on Christians living in Muslim dominated countries. Hello, Egypt and Iran for example!
There are no fundamentalist Christians in Europe. I’m from Europe. I’ve never met anybody, ever, who goes to Church regularly.
At most, a few senior citizens who go to mass on Christmas day.
Any European knows that all those old buildings are empty on Sundays.
And actually, more and more politicians are saying some of those buildings should be turned into Mosques… because Muslims actually practice their faith.
In Europe people will call themselves “Christian” by tradition. 99.9% of them have never even open a Bible… probably never even seen one.
I’ll bet anything this guy has never even set foot in a Church.
Everything they wanted to fabricate and make Loughner be… Left-wing/Anti-Christian/Anti-Conservative wishes… come true!
I can’t wait for the Matthews/Olbermann/Maddow/Behar/Maher/Whoopi/MSNBS delivery machine of the “Right-wing Christian terrorist” talking point all next week and into oblivion.
Shadow;
“Ok so lets say for a second hes a right wing, Christian, muslim hating, gun toting, bible thumping Conservative hater.
EVEN IF thats the case, this makes the “score” (for lack of a better term) 1 from our side, compared to how many THOUSANDS of muslims that are killing, beheading, car bombing, declaring jihads, blowing up innocent people???
How about the muslim shooters here in the US? FT Hood, and the guy at the army recruiting office?? Its AMAZING what the left does and does not see.”
You’re justifying this ?
I’m just as sickened by the Muslim community as anyone but Jesus Crust dude !
Theres no “if”
This guy represents infuckinsanity before he represents anything at all.
True Christains and decent people will give this asshole what he deserves.
We cant say that about Muslims when it comes to their radicals.
But we cant justify evil outside the Jihadis by pointing to their evil.
Thats just wrong
I think i’ve identified a “right-wing Christian Fundamentalist” right here in the United States. Something should be done before anything bad happens. (again)
- According to his Wikipedia page, he’s an Episcopalian.
- It’s widely known that he has a fondness for firearms.
- He has connections to ‘terrorist-like’ drug cartels in Mexico, and may have supplied them with weapons.
- The public statements he has made, don’t make any sense.
- He has a history of aiding and abetting convicted criminals.
Who is it?
It’s Eric Holder.
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I sat up when I heard Obama’s comments regarding the Oslo attacks:
“a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring.”
This kind?
“We have to work cooperatively together on intelligence and in terms of prevention of these kinds of horrible attacks,” he said.
These kinds?
Which kind? What kinds? What/who is he referring to?
He made these statements just prior to the barrage of info identifying the perp….“blond,” ‘blue eyed,” “Nordic-looking,” and “Norwegian.” “Conservative,’ ” Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections,” Home-Grown Domestic Terrorist”
On a newly minted, days-old Facebook page the Scandinavian perps religion is listed as “Christian” and his politics as “Conservative” Hobby; “Hunting”. Case closed.
Call me crazy and see if I care, but another newly minted days-old DHS with the same white guy profile just surfaced:
Homeland Security Video Pushes Liberal Fantasy That Terrorists Are Mostly White Guys
http://moonbattery.com/?p=243
Granted, the Obama administration fairly well cut its baby teeth on that same “security” meme:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/
It’s all too tidy and custom made. A fantasticly flawless gift package of profiles.
The new Islamic plot- use a convert of Euro/white appearance and have him claim he is Christian—gives them more accessibility, more rights will be taken away from honest citizens as further “security” crackdowns ensue, smear Christianity..etc.
It’s Sarah Palin’s fault.
Let’s see the “kill ratio” statistics; 91 dead in Norway. 3,000 dead in NYC on 11 September, and how many dead in Turdistan and Eye-wackie! Not to mention all the other shit around the world. Small potatoes IF this guy is a wacked out Christian (which I seriously doubt) as compared to the “religion of pieces”. So go ahead and jump to conclusions about his religious background before you even know anything. Even Anglos can convert to the dark side; hell just look at how many voted for the TOTUS.
A few statements from Anders Breivik himself, that don’t seem to fit with the narrative we’re hearing:
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http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2Fanders-behring-breivik%2F
+ 2010-02-17 10:56:52 – “There is moderate Nazis, too, that does not support fumigation of rooms and Jews. But they’re still Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). If we accept the moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the fumigation of rooms and Jews?”
+ 2010-02-02 13:35:11 – “I completely agree that Obama is a brilliant retoriker and communicator, one of the best we’ve seen over the past 30 years.”
+ 2010-01-24 10:45:19 – “I have great respect for how the Marxist-humanist networks in Norway are able to use their power optimally through “force Multiplication” and cooperation.
They are insanely hard-working, skilled in the consolidation and hard-working and most on the right side has a lot to learn from them. ”
+ 2009-12-31 09:30:01 – “Sometime in the future, most will have to flag the point of view, you will have to make a choice: nationalism or internationalism.
Unfortunately, there is still much stigma attached to the word “nationalism” as I usually use the word culture conservative:) ”
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The problem we’re having is that the political terms don’t have the same meaning in Europe as they do in the United States. Anders Breivik claimed he was a “CULTURE Conservative” in the last statement, which he likens to nationalism.
He seems unconcerned with the ‘economic’ differences between Capitalism and Socialism.
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In the US, right and left refer to economic systems.
In Breivik’s world, right and left seem to refer to cultural systems.
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Funny how we have an instant, detailed and comprehensive background of this guy, right down to his eye color and social attachments.
When perpetrators are obviously from team jihad, we get something like ‘Asian Youth may be involved’.
The modern, despicable and cowardly media is an enemy of Western Civilization.
I believe this guy is a Christian about as much as I believe President Obama’s claim to a Christian. Both are highly suspect.
The cops have him in custody, you know he’s singing like a canary but the socialists’ government is Insulting right wing christians whilst saying nothing about why he did it. I wonder what the socialist’s media and government are trying to hide?
When you set off bombs and then go off and shoot a bunch of innocent kids at at camp the credibility and worth of any “explanation” you might provide for your actions should evaporate. If you’ve bothered to take the time to include common Islamic religious elements in your attack, such as bombing and shooting innocent children, then why not go the whole nine yards and toss in the lying and deception?
The police and investigators here are WAY TOO FAST in exonerating Islam on this one. It’s quite pathetic actually. Who knows exactly who this guy met in some diner five or eight or fifteen years ago? How the heck can they be so sure exactly where he has and hasn’t traveled over the past ten years, or who he has exchanged emails with, or what he’s been reading online?
Bottom line – they can’t.
But they sure do want to exonerate Islam lightning fast, don’t they?
Fuck you, MSM scum. You’ve made ‘mediated reality’ so warped and distorted since 9/11 that we simply can’t take anything you say at face value. And fuck you dhimmified politicians and corrupt law enforcement officials everywhere.
Breivik is also a supporter of Israel and a supporter of Gay Rights as well. The business magazine, Dages Naeringsliv also mention how he wanted to starts a movement similar to the Tea Party, but couldn’t get enough support. I’m sorry, the “crazy right winger” angle of this story just doesn’t hold up at all. I’m a supporter of Israel and Gay Rights as well.
Someone whose views and opinions I genuinely thought I respected just commented on Facebook, “It looks like the Norwegian version of a teabagger is the suspect. Nothing like watering that tree of liberty, eh?”
I can’t tell him Tea Partiers don’t advocate violence. I can’t tell him that Tea Partiers would in fact condemn this heinous act. I can’t tell him because HE DOESN’T WANT TO KNOW. He’s already made up his mind; don’t confuse him with the facts.
The real culprit in the attacks, Mullah Krekar’s group, made the initial claim. Krekar had threatened to attack the government, if his extradition went through. Government buildings in Oslo and a Labor Party-run summer camp were attacked. They backed off into silence when their fall guy (proving his creds?). Remember that McVeigh is still linked with the Christian right wing, when in fact the OKC bombing was an attack by an Islamic group (Hezbollah or AQ). McVeigh had deep connections with Islamists and the FBI hid evidence. (Read Jayna Davis’ book on OKC, and look at the Muzzie who was picked up in MA for OKC. Not a peep has been heard since. (http://tinyurl.com/6zzjygu)
We are being played. I haven’t looked yet, but I’ll bet that the blame is now on the right wing (which might stick because of the McVeigh example), and might come to be blamed on the Mossad, or something. Just look at how the Troofers spread their lies about 9/11.
@gastorgrab – Excellent post concerning the translations of Anders Breivik. He is NOT what the Media is portraying him as being at all!!
gastorgrab’s post of the translations of Anders Breivik does show one thing that is something we should all look at and be alarmed about, the taking over of nations by Muslims. Bridgette Gabriel who was born and raise in Lebanon tells how once the Muslims were the majority, they (the muslims) murdered the Christians there. She tells how the muslims would shoot at her when she crawled to get water. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6sYvMsCCrQ&feature=player_embedded
If your a male with blonde hair that plans on flying to your destination,prepared to have your ass fisted by the TSA.
So he calls himself a Christian…..so what?
Im the KING of Colorado
He shot up an antisemitic convention of the AUF party, calling for the destruction of Israel.
Fascist shot up fascists?
RichardD: “The business magazine, Dages Naeringsliv also mention how he wanted to starts a movement similar to the Tea Party, but couldn’t get enough support.”
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But his beliefs weren’t anything like the Tea Party.
Breivik believed in something he called “Cultural Conservatism”, and he didn’t care what type of economic system was behind it. His ideal culture is a planned construct.
The Tea Party believes in fiscal conservatism, and thinks that the government shouldn’t program our national culture in any way. Our culture is a ‘melting pot’ that changes from moment to moment.
If you notice his choices above, Breivik offered Norwegians two different forms of socialism as an economic model; national, and international. He was totally comfortable with a totalitarian economic system that Tea Party’ers would never tolerate.
It’s not even close to the same thing. The press is trying to lead this story in a certain direction.
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@Gastorgrab….Good work on posting some of his musings…
@Nati…. yes some leftists hate other leftists enough to kill them…
Stalin had many purged… including Trotsky
same with Mao… and PolPot…
@Gastorgrab…
“…The press is trying to lead this story in a certain direction.”
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Yes they are… and it seems away from his leftist ideology…
they can’t admit one of their own… just perpetrated mass murder
Further thoughts:
“cultural conservatism” sounds like a weasel term for ‘cultural purity’ to me. It’s a distortion of intent.
The more i think about this, the more i think that Breivik wasn’t concerned that the Norwegian government was programming the culture of his nation. Breivik just thought that they were programming it the wrong way.
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@Gastorgrab
No worries. I know he wasn’t in line with Tea Party folks. Just pointing out that he tried to start a similar (sort of) style movement.
So is ‘hunting’ a popular spare-time activity in Norway? As in parts of the US?
Consider this:
Doesn’t the weasel term ‘Social Justice’ imply that there exists a ‘Social Authority’…….someone who tells white people how to be white, and black people how to be black? There must be a set of ‘Social Laws’ to this ‘Social Justice’ system, right?
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@RichardD..
Right, like the Democrats in this country try to run
one of their own as a TEA party candidate
the Democrats are good at using subterfuge
@gastorgrab
and its become more prominent since Obama’s election
Breivik: “Unfortunately, there is still much stigma attached to the word “nationalism” as I usually use the word culture conservative”
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Another parallel would be the way that ‘Marxists’ prefer the term ‘Progressive’.
There is just too much stigma attached to the word Marxism.
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Regardless of this guys political leanings, I’m VERY interested to see just how far the Liberal Media runs with this “Right Wing Extremist” nonsense they’ve been harping on since the start of this tragedy.
@gastorgrab…
a very nice deconstruct…
@RichardD
I think they’ll run this, as far as they ran the McVeigh lie…
The facebook page appears to have been altered:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/who-added-christian-and-conservative-to-norway-shooters-facebook-page-yesterday.html
I am reading the translation link gastorgrab posted (I am actually using a text to speech app to listen to this article) http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2Fanders-behring-breivik%2F
Anyway, the more I listen to this, the more I think Breivik is frustrated with the Islamization of Norway via the multi-culturalism of the Marxists. But, I think whatever it is that he really is politically (and I think he might be just as bad as the Marxists and the Muslims since he writes with admiration of their treacherous political tactics), he probably is just as diabolical as they. Nevertheless, the Marxists/Socialists in Norway are going to use this to enact Laws to go after ALL of their political opponents including innocent (real) Christians. I don’t think that Breivik is a Christian at all.
@ Rob
No doubt. They Liberal Media has been waiting for something like this to happen.
@KB – it could be that Breivik stored the password and remained logged in so that his profile could easily be edited by those who had access to his residence.
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/23/breaking-camp-in-norway-where-shooting-occurred-had-just-concluded-pro-palestinian-rally-the-day-before/
This youtube video offers some great insight on the shooter and the media as a whole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi3yn33s308&sns=fb
It has emerged that the man at the centre of the attack is also a member of a Swedish Nazi forum which encourages attacks on government buildings.
The revelations were revealed by Swedish newspaper Expo who claim Anders Breivik is part of ‘Nordisk’ which has 22,000 members and focuses on political terrorism.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017938/Norway-attacks-Survivors-tell-police-attacks-different-areas-Utoya.html#ixzz1Sxr2sCML
“It has emerged that the man at the centre of the attack is also a member of a Swedish Nazi….”
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That’s believable. He’s rationalized on that very point.
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http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2Fanders-behring-breivik%2F
2010-02-17 10:56:52 – “There is moderate Nazis, too, that does not support fumigation of rooms and Jews. But they’re still Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). If we accept the moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the fumigation of rooms and Jews?”
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Something’s wrong. There is something the lame stream media is hiding.
If one kills another while not in fear of losing his own life…it is murder…if one murders in this life, he (or she) forfeits any promise they might have to redemption in the afterlife…and therefore cannot by their actions be considered a Christian! So this man will dwell in HELL FOR ETERNITY! So sayeth the Lord!
sorry I’m not up to snuff here, but what is the status of the shooter?
was he killed? in custody?
NEVER MIND! I must have skipped over that paragraph…
if it wasn’t 100 degrees i’d get more then 3 hours of sleep a nite %-P
Jim Goad offers an interesting opinion:
http://takimag.com/article/between_thought_and_action_in_norway