Dem Rep. James Clyburn Urges Obama To Invoke The 14th Amendment And Raise The Debt Ceiling Without Congressional Approval…
With all of Obama’s veto threats I get the feeling that’s where we’re headed.
(Politico) — Rep. James Clyburn and a group of House Democrats are urging President Barack Obama to invoke the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling if Congress can’t come up with a satisfactory plan before the Tuesday deadline.
Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat, said Wednesday that if the president is delivered a bill to raise the debt ceiling for only a short period of time, he should instead it and turn to the phrase in the Constitution that says the validity of the U.S. government’s debt “shall not be questioned.”
“If that’s what lands on his desk, a short-term lifting of the ceiling, the debt ceiling, he should put it on his desk next to an executive order,” Clyburn said at a press conference. “He should sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment to this issue.” The Associated Press reported that he was applauded when he suggested the idea at a caucus meeting earlier in the day.
“I believe that something like this will bring calm to the American people and will bring needed stability to our financial markets,” Clyburn added, noting that President Harry Truman did it once during his presidency after Congress was unable to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling.
Obama and others in his administration have said they will not rely on the 14th Amendment. At a town hall last week, Obama said that he has “talked to my lawyers” and “they are not persuaded that that is a winning argument.”
But Clyburn and several other liberal Democrats urged the president to reconsider.
“We’re getting down to decision time,” said Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), the chairman of the Democratic caucus. “We have to have a failsafe mechanism and we believe that failsafe mechanism is the 14th Amendment and the president of the United States.”
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I hope so ZIP.
Makes sense to me. Libs seem to get selective amnesia when the want to get things their way. Why worry with technicalities like the constitution? Gibs me dat.
He should also be ready to initiate martial law.
That is impeachable.
Also note, only congress is authorized to make these decisions, not the Executive branch (in Section 5).
“Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
Impeach Obama if he does
Obama the wanna be dictator of Amerikka. This suggestion by someone that is sworn to uphold the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic is by far one of the most sickening suggestions that I have heard in my lifetime. The Democrats ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to work with the Republicans for a solution, so they want to turn Amerikka into a dictatorship. This is unbelievable. Where are the checks and balances? All I can do is shake my head in disbelief. This country is toast if Obama goes down that road. Can anybody say tyranny? We already live in a soft tyranny – what they hey, let’s just finish it off and destroy a great and prosperous nation in the name of ideology. I hope other Americans are as mad as I am.
These communist ignorant assholes will say and do what they want. They will turn this country into the new Third Reich and Obama will become the new Hitler. So they can do what they will and we will do what we have to! They just better be prepared for what follows.
Let us look at the facts..The facts are this:
Obama has been President for over 2 1/2 years, and has yet to have a YEARLY budget present to the House.
Obama’s “Great Plan” for the Debt Ceiling, has not been put down on paper, therefore NO ONE knows the details, and the CBO can’t score pipe dreams.
Obama keeps rejecting any plan that has been brought to the table.
Obama knows exactly what he is doing..This has been the plan all along..To wait until a few weeks before Aug. 2nd, to even start to discuss it, that way his scare tatics weaken the people. Then he has his people start whispering about the 14th Amendment, which would by-pass Congress. That way he and his hired Internet workers can see the reaction of the people..He will keep his scare tatics up until the last moment, when to the frightened people of America who depend on SS etc. only see the 14th Amendment as thier only option for survival..Then he will declare the 14th Amendment, making Congress a ghost, and he will then raise the debt ceiling as much as he wants…
There’s the “Hope & Change you voted for………
If it was Bush, ole uncle Rhemus would want him put on trial for treason………….which really should happen to Obama………..
ohio: “Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
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And if a Constitutional amendment can be construed to be in conflict with the constitution itself, then isn’t it already unconstitutional?
The 14th amendment would have to be thrown out. (and i don’t see a sever-ability clause)
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I personally see this as another threat, but instead of Obama saying it, it’s his cronies. We shall see…
Fox in the Henhouse!
Apparently Mr. Clyburn prefers dictatorial rule over representative democracy, I do sooooo hope anyone planning to oppose him in the future is making note of this…
The Communist Black Caucus. Remember this one from Alcee Hastings: “There ain’t no rules here, we’re trying to accomplish something”. I hope Obama does that , then it will be on!
Obama does this, then he owns it. No one will be able to pin it on the Republicans.
“Democrats OWN the economy”
- Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Does he know what the 14th says? (Reader’s Digest version)
Four principles were asserted in the text of the 14th amendment. They were:
1. State and federal ciizenship for all persons regardless of race both born or naturalized in the United States was reaffirmed.
2. No state would be allowed to abridge the “privileges and immunities” of citizens.
3. No person was allowed to be deprived of life, liberty,or property without “due process of law.”
4. No person could be denied “equal protection of the laws.”
So, how does this pertain to raising the debt limit?
@StandYourGround
You got that right Stand. All hell will break loose before the American people will allow this country to be distroyed by a hand full of communits. And, I think the Military would back the people before they would back Obommer.
Obummer and Mooch are treading on thin ice. They think we can’t bring them down if they try to overide what the American people want? Let them try.
What payments would Obama be making for “debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion”?
What rebellion is he dealing with?
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14th Amendment to the US Constitution, Section 4:
“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.”
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Obummer has been forming his brown shirt army behind our backs. That’s where a good portion of the stimulas went.
I think it’s a fine idea. Let Odumbo step in it.
They are trying to change our form of government through illegal means.
This is not an honest disagreement. We’re witnessing an act of treason.
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Clyburn might invoke the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling if he were president and had advisors that said he could. Invoking amendments does not make you king. Clyburn’s not the one who would end his presidency with an impeachment.
Bring it on you friggin’ fools…Impeachment Hearings will commence ASAP!
“if he were president”
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Actually that’s another little snag in the Liberal plan.
‘The President’ is only one part of government. There are two other branches that also share that role.
If “a President” were “the government”, then the US Congress wouldn’t be necessary. There is nothing in the 14th Amendment that says a ‘President’, or any single branch of government, has this exclusive power.
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Another loopy loudmouth who never bothered to read the thing.
This progressive act as it they and Obama will forever be in charge of running America’s government.
What they fail to see is that WE are going to out Obama, and not in the way San Fransicko would do it.
Everything they have done to date we should be able to do as well, once we are in office.
How would they like it if Sarah or West just circumvented congress and did what ever the hell they wanted? In the name of saving America??
There would be riots and protest, riots and more protest ragging on for months if not years.
I hope they remember all the power they have signed away to Obama, because that power will work both ways. Only when it comes to Conservatives, we really would do it for the better of Americans.
We will have Czars and presidential appointment during recesses, executive orders out the ass.
As a matter of fact, I want to be the dumbass Czar. My job would be ridding America starting with the over abundant Government dumbasses, moving on to the media and then to liberal progressive foundations such as PPH, Acorn or what ever plant they are calling themselves now, Code Stink, NOW, every organization funded by Score-ass.
Those will just be the first week of my czar duties. Gone will be all the special interest groups, everyone being separated by color, sexual preference and religion.
Karma is coming Bitches..
The 14th is an abused whipping boy for the left.
They use it to justify illegal’s anchor babies, yet deny “due process” for babies being slaughtered by abortion. And does everyone have “equal protection” under the law if one person can be indicted for a “hate crime” while not another because of the color of their skin? And does that not fly in the face of freedom of speech?
Now they want to use it to give the President dictatorial powers?
@ Rob…you got that right and Van Jones , Jarrett being the architects. It is on page 1312 Section 5210 in the Affordable Health Care Act. Yes, Ready Reserve Force is old legislation but why in this bill. Everything that this man does has sinister intent and diabolical outcomes… all intended to destroy this Republic as founded.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 1:
“ALL legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.”
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Perhaps Clyburn should familiarize himself with Truman’s reliance on the 14th Amendment. It regarded the desegregation of the U.S. armed forces.
Just read an article over at Moonbattery titled “Obama Muses on Rule as Dictator” that dovetails with this article. A fitting photo accompanies it as well. Check it out. http://moonbattery.com/?p=433
Do it, Obie. Political suicide.
“Obama and others in his administration have said they will not rely on the 14th Amendment. At a town hall last week, Obama said that he has “talked to my lawyers” and “they are not persuaded that that is a winning argument.””
Let me fix that: Obama and others in his administration have said they will not rely on the 14th Amendment. At a town hall last week, Obama said that he has “talked to my POLLSTERS” and “they are not persuaded that that is a winning argument.”
The day grows near. When Oturd was elected anybody with a brain, knew he was going to bring this country to it knees. He is crazy, and I wouldn’t put it passed him to evoke the 14th amendment.
Why don’t they use the Commerce Clause? They use it to get everything else they want.
We can’t trust this guy. He is going to work his agenda no matter what. Remember, he desperately needs their votes and will do anything to get them.
Warren Buffett on the deficit –
“I could end the deficit in 5 minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.”
Don’t give him the chance, Impeach the bastard NOW! He is a commie traitor.
monkey see, monkey do
http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.us
Minor v. Happersett Supreme Court already ruled Obama ineligible
natural born citizen is born in-country of citizen parents
so how DARE they invoke the constitution when obama is unconstitutional!
What BULL!
Clyburn – just foul. Pathetic. Absolutely worthless. An example of when a condom should have been used. This guy erects statues of himself in his District – he needs to be investigated and thrown out of office. Pure Scum.
“Warren Buffett on the deficit –
“I could end the deficit in 5 minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.”
I can’t for the life me understand why anyone thinks this is a solution or even smart. It is absolutely childish, totalitarian and absurd.
Buffet is good at two things. Making money. Hiding money.
I absolutely dare idiot Obama to try it!
Go ahead and make my day.
If Obama does that, I have no doubt whatsoever that he’ll lose in 2012. There is absolutely no way in hell he’ll EVER be reelected with that on his record. I almost dare him to try it.
The anger such a move would cause could literally destroy the union.
Our constitution exclusively grants Congress the power and duty of the purse. It’s at the very core of our system of checks and balances.
gastorgrab says:
July 27, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Good point, but all spending authority is to start in the congress.
Got to go the gun show again this weekend.
A treasury auction to sell illegally issued government bonds will likely fail. I can’t imagine any primary dealers will participate if the debt was not authorized by Congress.
Plus Obama would likely be impeached for trying to usurp Congressional power.
Democrats haven’t thought this through.
Okay, Show me WHERE in the 14th Amendment that the President has the power to raise the debt ceiling.
( The way I have read it, it states that not the President but CONGRESS has that sole power.)
14th Amendment, Section 4: “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law…shall not be questioned.”
Clearly this doesn’t directly confer any new powers on the president, and it’s the height of delusion to believe it can be tortured into such an interpretation.
It’s like the Constitution carefully limiting the powers of the government to a list of specific, “enumerated” powers, but then some Democrat coming in 150 years later and claiming that two innocuous clauses–the “general welfare” clause and the commerce clause–actually give government the power to do anything at all, whether in the list of enumerated powers or not.
Oh, wait…that’s exactly what happened!
Democrat Clyburn knows that not one voter in 300 actually knows what’s in the Constitution. So he and his cronies can bluff and bluster and bullshit about what powers this or that clause gives this or that official, and no one will call ‘em on it.
That is, it doesn’t make a bit of difference what the document actually says, or meant. All that matters is if enough people can be induced to *believe* a certain way. If that happens, the courts will find a legal rationalization for rendering a decision supporting what the “right” people want to do.
To a great extent our lousy public education system is to blame. But also joined by an army of “progressive” judges with spaghetti for brains.
Do it, Obama.
Articles of Impeachment will immediately follow, along with 47 Senate Republican votes for conviction. Just 4 needed to convict the President and remove him from office, and we will make sure the pressure is so great on the Dems that 4 will break off.
He’ll be out of office by the end of the year and the GOP will overwhelmingly take control in 2012.
By all means, create a permanent GOP majority.