Ron Paul Says America Hasn’t Learned Its Lesson From 9/11, Again Blames Attacks On U.S. Foreign Policy…
There’s a reason the truthers love this guy.
(The Hill) — The U.S. hasn’t learned much in the 10 years since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) argued Tuesday.
Paul, the libertarian-minded Republican presidential candidate, voiced criticism of U.S. foreign policy just days before the tenth anniversary of the coordinated terrorist attacks that resulted in almost 3,000 deaths.
“I don’t think we’ve learned a whole lot because our foreign policy hasn’t changed,” Paul told a guest host on Lou Dobbs’s radio show.
Paul’s long been a critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly the military engagements in Afghanistan and Iraq undertaken in the years following the attacks. Republican President George W. Bush initiated those wars, which have extended into President Obama’s term. Obama has sought to set timetables for withdrawal from moth engagements.
He cited the work of two University of Chicago professors, Robert Pape and James Feldman, who produced research arguing that U.S. occupation of foreign lands are the biggest driver of terrorist attacks (rather than religious extremism).
“The statistics are overwhelming that this is the case,” the Texas congressman argued. “They also show that when you leave, suicide and terrorist attacks against us are dramatically diminished.”
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Did Paul miss the Islamic memo about the global caliphate? I’ve heard more than a few clerics say that and seen more than a few signs waved around in western cities by Muslim “residents.”
Go away you foolish old man………
If any of you actually give a shit about our soldiers, then watch this rather than spouting jingoistic bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WWUQ_N_vHc0
You know the Liberal media is pushing this idiot on us because none of them are mentioning how old Ron Paul is.
We took the car keys from Grandpa when he turned 75. It’ll be Tough to talk tough to the Muj or Putin if you have to were diapers.
Paul and the 2 professors ignore the reality of Jihad against non-Muslims all around the world that has nothing to do with the US and everything to do with Islam’s basic intolerance. And the long history of Jihad since the Pedophile Prophet emerged 14 centuries ago.
And of course, here come the Paulian nutcases to defend their idol…
This notion that we are to blame for everything in the world is freaking BS. The moozies will find any excuse to further their cause regardless of what our foreign policy is. They could say they attack us because we are a dog loving nation… and dog is halal to moozies…. these jihadists are as bad as the global warming clowns. Yes, I put them in the same group – fraudsters!!!
Doesn’t that reasoning work both ways?
Maybe the Islamists are only provoking the anger of the West by killing them indiscriminately. Maybe everything they do to destroy the West only makes the them more polarized against the Islamist culture.
Maybe the foreign policy of Islamism is only breeding more anti-Islamists among the Infidels.
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*We didn’t start the war between Islamism and the United States. We didn’t attack them in Afghanistan. WE COUNTER-ATTACKED THEM!
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Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman are the only two Republicans I could not vote for. Wouldn’t vote for Obama either. Guess I’d have to write-in a name.
@ gastor
Yes & it only tool about 40 years to launch our counter attack.
US Foreign policy to blame for Beslan School massacre…
Now is this doofus Presidential looking or what?
@sp – shove it up your ass. I got exactly 1:12 into that anti-war, pussy bullshit video and realized there was no reason to watch the rest of it.
Sure, there are plenty of “veterans” who are against war. Some because they have lived the horror of combat, others because they are fucking cowards. The real heroes who dislike war, do so with sincerity for the unspeakable horror that they know war is – but they also understand that sometimes, war is the ONLY WAY to preserve what is right and good and honest – and with a sense of duty and with honor for God and country, they serve, they fight and they die. No regrets.
Then there are those who you support who have put together this utter excrement, pretending to be honorable but speaking as cowards. They are simply angry because they didn’t sign-up to protect and defend this great nation against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. No, they signed up for what they thought would be a free-ride to a college education. They rolled the dice and oops, it came up 9/11 – surprise! They were then expected to do what they agreed to do – but as is typical of liberals and cowards, they didn’t want to hold up their end of the bargain.
No real solider or Marine I have ever known regretted his service to this great country – even those missing limbs – and I know who they are. Do you? The people in this video are cowards and not fit to serve or wear the uniform. Shame on you for posting such garbage to this blog.
Sadly, in a world full of evil, war is necessary. Grow-up and face reality.
The reason that the left is so fond of using the term ‘War Monger’ to describe the opposition is because they prefer to do all their killing via genocide.
Between the Soviet Union and Communist China, 100 million people have been murdered, WHO WEREN’T EVEN ENEMIES.
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In his day, I would love to have seen Ross Perot go after Ron Paul, ‘splaining the facts of life to him. In lieu of that, and trying to be kind, Mr. Paul is out of the ballpark naive. His fiscal policies, foreign policies, domestic policies – don’t hold water. We’ll remember Mr. Paul along with Ralph Nader as the ones that ate up a lot of contributor’s money, but never made it.
PatriotWarMonger
Thank you for your defense of our military men and women. Well said. You’re also right about those that return to us missing limbs, shrapnel buried in what’s left of them….yet, I’ve never heard one of them complain nor say they never would have gone. Every picture of those leaving and then coming home should show, even to the politically blinded pacifist, what giants walk amongst us.
Looking at all thes ehateful comments about Ron Paul just blows me away. I was in the first gulf war and the military just runs in the family. I do take pride in my country, my flag, my consitution, and my god but it is people like those negative on here that is tearing our country a part. We have lost more lives with these wars and we have killed over a million with our bombs of which many were innocent civilians. I am not saying what Al Qaeda did was right and we should take a stand when we have to but this bullshit congress gave its power to the president and did not do their job!
How can you blame one guy who is speaking what he truly feels is correct when it is the majority of our congress who is not doing their jobs, doing their research, voting for bills they know nothing about but done because of deals, etc. These folks have not created a budget in over two years. They will not declare war because then that vote may be held against them later.
Why don’t they represent their people first because if they do that and then vote one way because of it the people can not blame them.
Ron Paul is just one guy and I think it is very clear that mostly all of Congress does not agree with him on issues like this, and so they have created the mess. They are the problem.
Those who put safety before liberty deserve neither. A strong national defense is what took down the USSR, but now we are going on the offense and spreading our military everywhere.
I had pride when I served and still do, but it is this pride that leads me to speaking out against the internal attack that is happening now against our country. When I served, I also trusted that the government would not put us in harms way unless absolutely needed, and if they abused this the people would straighten out the government. But today no one really speaks out against the government because if you do you are a terrorist. BS
PatriotWarMonger it’s hard to believe millions of U.S. soldiers have died to protect your freedom to spout your inane, senseless rambling that’s centered around your skewed world view. Put simply in language you might comprehend, it must suck to be you.
But in reality the only man to receive the highest military support of all the candidates combined in 08′ and 2012 is Ron Paul. Anyone who bags on this guys ideas should take that into consideration.
@Larry – well said, brother and point taken. There is no doubt that these wars have not been executed properly. The Marines have not been allowed to do what they do best which is win. It makes me sick how many of our finest have been killed under these ridiculous ROE and there is no reason to believe it will improve. I, for one, believe that if we are not going to tell the Marines to “get it done” and then back off and let them work, it is time to leave Afghanistan and let that shithole implode.
As far as Iraq goes, if it were up to me, I would simply plant the flag and say “mine”. Blood for oil? Damn straight – and everything that goes with it.
Ron Paul is right about so many things but he is so totally wrong when it comes to foreign policy.
Having said that, my last post was not about the prudence of these engagements – I was talking about the dedication of those who chose to serve and then complain about it later. For better or for worse, whether or not our “leaders” are right or wrong, wearing the uniform means following orders. Some do it better than others. It’s a volunteer force. You want the fruit? Be ready to water the tree.
PatriotWarMonger,
Ron Paul is a broken watch. Right once or twice a day, but not worth the effort to consider the rest of the time. And some people are enchanted by his shiny casing.
On the other hand, I still want to know what Libertarian principles/policies/platform planks he gave up to become a Republican when he couldn’t get elected as a Libertarian.
@AJ187 – and your point is? Why don’t you try offering a sentient rebuttal instead of your ambiguous and cryptic repose?
My world view is 20/20. Been there, done that, many times. I know what I am talking about. Too bad the same cannot be said for you.
So Ron Paul is your man. Good for you. Try reading the post again and see if you can comprehend the subject matter – which was less about your hero Ron Paul and more about the pathetic milksops that are portrayed in the video link posted.
Hey, SP: kiss my ass. I’m a Veteran Soldier, and if you want panzy pussies to represent, go to Mexico or Canada. We do our duty, here, and I have no regrets. Much as I despise Obama, if I got pressed into heading out and killing ragheads in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, I’m goin’. Ron Paul’s a punk, a kook and something [other] leftists use to hold against the Republican Party. I can’t wait till he’s out of office. When his old ass crawls back under his mushroom covering turd, I hope you crawl under it with him so you two can cuddle. Take your propaganda someplace else.
He is a decrepit old douche bag and his acolytes are even worse.
Thank you, all.
Without monsters to slay overseas, our corporate friends would not meet their bottom-lines. Without the CIA to overthrow sovereign nations, to install our own dictators, America would not be a land of such military exceptionalism. Halliburton, Raytheon, Blackwater/Xe, Lockheed Martin, and many other companies thank you for your patriotism, blood, and tax dollars. As a reward for those that support us, please invest in our stocks. You will not be let down, as many of your politicians know, our industry is stable and lucrative.
The War on Terror® will be fought for many decades to come, hopefully indefinitely, so please continue your support and enlist in fighting-the-good-fight. After a few years of service, and perhaps a handful of stop-loss tours for a few more years, you can be assured one of our companies will hire you as a private contractor. As you may already know, private contractors are paid many times more then a common soldier, receive immunity from criminal actions, and benefit immensely with luxurious all expenses paid vacations, not to mention a pension program to die for, all on the tax payers’ dime. Remember, with our No-bid contracts and our Cost-Plus® programs, you’ll be set for life and beyond!
Thanks again, everyone. If anyone ever disparages our grand war(s), always question their patriotism/sanity, call them cowards, but like always, just bring up 9/11. It’s for the good of this country and especially your children, and even their children; if things go really well for us, their children’s children.
Best Regards,
MIC
between Perry and Paul… this is the most epic Presidential Run-up ever.
We literally stand on the precipice of collective slavery..
and the most important decision we can make, is the choice of King
something is wrong here..
I rebelled against Trudeau (Obama beta 0.9)
so don’t give me your claptrap while I expend keystrokes..
If you don’t understand what’s really at stake.. I would guess you are not an atom splitter..
Cheerio..
Yea Paul?! When are you going to condemn the Arabs occupting ISRAELI lands? And WHEN are you going to condemn to islamo moslims OCCUPYING AMERICAN lands?!!! WHY don’t you demand islamos LEAVE the United States?!!!! WHY!!!
George Bush ran on the same foreign policy that Ron Paul speaks of today. Everyone knows Ron Paul is a libertarian and probably one of the best ever if you look at his voting record. One of the biggest problems today is policians run on one thing and then do the complete opposite. How can anyone even trust these politicans and say they are more right than Ron Paul? Makes no sense at all. This guy is the best, but then the guy just flips flops all over the place.
Obama is probably the worse of this. He talked about how Bush was unpatriotic for adding 4 trillion to the debt but in less than half the time Obama broke that record.
PatriotWarMonger – I agree about orders but this is not the beaches of Normandy where you know you have a 60% chance of dying but you are doing it because if we do not have enough numbers we will lose the battle. We are doing things today that are unconstititional and I do remember when I took the oath it was against foreign or domestic enemies. And if our president and congressman cannot follow the constitution, then we have a big problem. It is my duty as an American to make sure our leaders get it right so that our soldiers are not put in harms way without good cause.
So many jump on that band wagon like we are under attack now. Our constitution does not make us isolationists. And no one attacks us just because we are free. People say it was isolationism that led to us being attacke din WW2 but nothing could be further from the truth. The ramp up of industry to help our allies is what pulled us out of the depression. By not jumping in right away we began to build wealth. It was embargo that led Japan to attack us. This is a fact and the reason we played out the attack in our war colleges/simulations months prior to it happening.
Why the name calling against Ron Paul? Because there is no factual proof that what we have done has actually made things better. Our own intelligence organizations have said the same thing. So the only ones crazy are those living in a fantasy land that we have to live in fear and police the world at the expense of our own liberties. Which by the way is what this country so different and great.
Ron Paul is a patriot trying to protect this country based on the principles of which it was founded. So calling him names is tearing down our country, our constitution, our founding fathers, our history, our liberties, people being independent rather than government dependent, destroying our national defense by spreading ourselves thin by policing the world, devaluing our dollar creating inflation and stealing from the people, etc. Really, this government has overstepped it’s boundaries and Ron Paul is the bravest person I know to take on this fight and put principles first. I doubt anyone on here would be brave enough.
How far does this government have to go before we realize these socialists have gone too far and are an internal enemy of which we should protect this country from?
@Military Industrial Complex – try removing your intestinal blindfold. It may help with your myopia.
I’m sure you’ll get an “A” at Berkeley. Unfortunately, you will be ill-prepared to deal with the world as it really is.
Thanks for stopping by, Mr. Paul.
But on a shorter note, we are in deep crap and I do not want more of the same. Not from Republicans or Democrats. I want someone principled and how I know they will lead. Just about everyone else up there I do not trust and all I have to do is point their voting record to prove it which is public information. NOT ONE candidate or other congressman has offered any factual proof as to Ron Paul being wrong. Instead they just say it, laugh at him, smirk, and hope the people just fall in line. I am not a sheep and neither should anyone else be.
@Larry – you’re looking the wrong way. Paul is an isolationist – and that is the problem. Yes, he is a patriot and yes, he is trying to protect this country. I have no doubt about that. I never called Paul any names nor do I believe the people supporting him are kooks. I do however believe that Paul supporters are not looking at the big picture. Paul’s philosophy is flawed in that it doesn’t recognize the true threat to America nor does it acknowledge our obligation to the world to continue to fill a vacuum that would otherwise be filled by pure evil.
You are incorrect if you do not believe that we are actually under attack at this very moment. The Communist agenda is a alive and well in the White House, as well as around the world and the ONLY thing stopping a complete eradication of human freedom in the world is what is left of the American Constitution and anybody willing to defend it. While Ron Paul is correct about many things, including limiting our involvement in foreign entanglements, we cannot simply turn our backs to the world and pretend we are alone on this big, blue marble. And what about Israel? Do you support Paul’s position on Israel?
I will not argue that we are spread thinly around the world and that with the current ROE, it is a futile effort at best. However, if Congress had the balls, and the President wasn’t actually working to destroy America, we COULD WIN these wars and be done with them. It is my belief that tying the hands of our military is an effort to drive people to war-fatigue and the belief that we cannot win, so we might as well give up and give in. We can win these wars if we want to. The issue is not whether or not we should be involved – we most certainly should be. The question is – are we EVER going to give it 100% so we can be victorious, or will we continue in this half-assed approach until we are finally broke and the American people broken?
Ron Paul’s foreign policy approach will fail. We need a president with the balls to simply stand up to the evil in this world and stop cow-towing to Islamo-facist and communists. We do not have to be nice to every asshole on the planet – but they sure-as-fuck had better be nice to us. It worked in Japan, it’ll work in Iran. And if you think that is jingoistic, you’re right, and so am I!
God Bless America and all who defend her. Everybody else can go straight to hell. It’s really THAT simple.
@PatriotWarMonger – well said!
@Military Industrial Complex – хороший товарищем !
“The Christian…must pay the jizya tax while in a state of humiliation…
We say to the Christians, convert to Islam or pay the jizya, otherwise we will fight you. The shari’a is not based on [human] logic but on divine law…
Of course we will launch a campaign of Islamic conquest, throughout the world…All the Muslims in the world who wish to see the shari’a implemented worldwide will join the Egyptian army in order to form Islamic battalions, whose task will be to bring about the victory of [our] faith…
There are Muslims and there are infidels. We will have ambassadors in every country. We want to call all other countries to join Islam, and that will be the task of the ambassadors. If [the countries] refuse, there will be war. We will not tolerate mutual trade and cultural ties with non-Muslims.”
Sheikh ‘Adel Shehato
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5601.htm
PatriotWarMonger – What facts do you have to support what you are saying? There are many people who say this and I guess you can echo that if you believe it. Maybe we need to look at it from this angle. What if we continue with the same phylosphy that has our country so far in debt today that all it would take is for foreign countried to stop giving us the 41% of additional borrowed money and we would collapse. How did the freeest, strongest country in the world come dependent on other foreign countries of who if we did not need their money we would call our enemy? If we keep going the way we are we will not be able to pay our military. Our economy would collapse. Their would be chaos. How is this phylosphy then considered correct? I can look to history just right here in the USA and see that we had multiple more years as a free and prosperous country than we did as a war mongering country. Eisenhower warned in his final farewell speach to beaware of the industril military complex. He did this because he knew their was a push internally to keep this attitude up. And over the years since then, things have gotten worse.
Now I know the world is a different place but all government before us who have done the same, have collapsed.
Every single time, every Ron Paul supporter pretends he never blames America for 9/11. They always try to change the subject & counter with some slippery retort like “well he is only looking out for the best of the country.” Yeah uh huh, so blaming us for the worst attack on America in history is because he loves us?
Simply no understanding of Islamic Jihad, our worst enemy. And you would trust someone that ignorant to lead us?
NO WAY
PatriotWarMonger – Also, I was not saying you had called names. I was only talking to you directly in that one paragraph. The name calling is mostly by others who can not think for themselves and not able to support their points. You at least stated that you agree with many of his points but not all and mentioned foreign policy. Even if you believed RP was a isolationist it would not matter because he would not over step his boundaries of the president and I can trust this. Things would not be able to change that easily or that greatly because of the checks and balances in separation of the branches.
revparadigm – I do recall many othe politicians speaking out that the attack was not just against us but against our economy, hint the symbolism of the twin towers and Wall St. And what are we doing? Falling hook line and sinker and look at our economy now. After the cold war was over we should have been able to pay down our debt and been a leader again. But instead we ramped up spending. So how do we go from barely able to keep up with the Soviets, and then when it is over and the high spending is no longer needed, we decided hey let’s spend even more faster. Sorry, but I can only feel that there is something more to this that just Republicans against Democrats, liberals against conservatives, progressives against libertarians, etc. I think someone is pushing us against each other in so many angles that we do not see the tearing apart of our country. I would much rather have someone in their that I can trust and I know he will not preach one thing while doing another. Sure, you go ahead and support the next Bush or Obama, I am going to support the one and only person who has no fear to protect this country, the constitution, our liberties, etc and not turn his back on the people.
Anyone who screws with a free country with a strong national defense has a death wish. Japan found that out and that was a declared war. In times like these even the weakest person can be strong. Never mess with liberty. If Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and Iran are so bad why did we prop up the dictator there and how well did that work for us? You might say why put Libya in there, well because we started to work with Qadafi about 5 years ago and supporting him. Most of the terrorist in 9/11 were from Saudi but we are not attacking them. Sorry but it just seems like we are picking all the wrong sides and causing chaos.
Since are foreign policy is so good we should also try to look at who are allies are today. Usually smaller countries will allie with largest stronger countries for their own defense. But France is now leaving our side and moving over to the Russians, if you have watched the news in recent months you would see that Obama is telling Israel to go back to 1967 borders which is rediculous and virtually not defendable, and even our sister nation Brittain sided with China when asked to go to a diferent world currency reserve and to move away from dollars. Basically Brittain said they agree but a little too early yet. Who really stands with us?
revparadigm – You call Islamic Jihad our worse enemy. You must be kidding or ignorant yourself. If you trust the OTHER leaders like Bush, Obama, McCain, mostly all other folks of congress moreso than Ron Paul…. Well even they said that it is a much smaller group of extremist who twist the koran to support their extremist views.
Sorry but if those sorry asses come here I will be right there shoulder to should with my fellow Americans to f_ck them up. Since 9/11 two attacks were tried again with the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber. Hillary Clinton’s office gave the underwear bomber the freaken VISA when they knew who he was, what he looked like, and warned by the kids father. They put him on the terrorist list but not the no fly list. And who is ignorant again? It was the people who put their lives on the line and took those guys out. No one will take that shit anymore and I would do the same. This government put us at more risk.
Of course Larry…ignore the topic. Is it okay with you that Ron Paul blames America for 9/11?
Like I said…every time you Paul supporters pretend this doesn’t exist. Deflect, change, turn it to question whoever asks this question.
Is it okay with you that Ron Paul blames America for 9/11?
“revparadigm – You call Islamic Jihad our worse enemy. You must be kidding or ignorant yourself.”
There you have it.
Typical diluted Paul bots.
So what is Islamic Jihad to you nutballs? Some pretend enemy…or just a reactionary “freedom fighters” fighting against our imperialistic foreign policy?
Thank God Almighty Ron Paul will never become POTUS.
@Larry – I whole-hardheartedly agree that the country has been run into the ground. There isn’t enough room on this blog nor do I have the energy to list and explain every “how and why” on that point. However, you seem to believe that Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that will NOT continue with business as usual. I believe the entire focus of the 2012 election will be to return to the Constitutional foundations of this nation and to STOP business as usual – at least of the side on conservatives, libertarians and those who cherish freedom in it’s truest form.
I’m not totally impressed with any of the current candidates, but I will vote for a potato if it means removing Maobama from the White House. If Ron Paul gets the nod, I will vote for him – but I seriously doubt he has a prayer. Neither does any third-party candidate. Furthermore, I believe anybody running as a third-party candidate is an ego-maniac who doesn’t give a damn about this country or is a planned spoiler – because anybody with an IQ above 75 knows it’s a fool’s errand. It will only take votes away from viable candidates. That’s why Perot did it, that’s why Trump or Paul would do it.
As far as facts proving what I say about Paul, one only has to listen to him speak to know where he stands. This is what is so great about the man. Unfortunately I cannot support everything he stands for. A lot of it, yes. All of it? No. And anybody who thinks America “deserved” 9/11 or that it can be justified by our foreign policy is either an intellectual vegetable or an evil, seditious piece of shit. So, I guess if I was going to call Paul names, I would start there. Whether you believe it was Al-Qaeda, UBL, the Joooos, “an inside job” or whatever, America did NOT deserve it. Anybody who even begins to apologize for America or say that we deserve ANY of the nasty shit that has been thrown our way is anti-American, lacking in knowledge of our history and utterly bereft of any understanding of human nature, let alone the difference between good and evil. It is simply garbage to advance that notion.
Those who marinate in the gray area of the world are ultimately doomed. There is good and there is evil in this world. The USA is on the side of good. Are there elements within the country that are corrupt and evil? Certainly there are. I don’t live there. I live in that belief that the founding ideals of America are pure and blessed by God and THAT is what I support and what I seek. It is black and white, for me. Nothing says I have to respect the rights of those who oppose me on fundamental grounds nor do I have to acknowledge their right to live on this planet. America=good. Islam, Communism, Socialism=bad. Israel=good. Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan=bad. Good gets to live, bad has to die. I am not interested in nuance. I am interested in a candidate who can stand up and say America is good – and the rest of the world is either going to respect that, or we will convert their inferior culture and country into a souvenir ashtray. And lest you think I am jingoistic or have a “skewed” POV, simply ask the enemy what they think. They will tell you I am right. They will tell you I am on the “wrong” side, but they certainly will not disagree with my terms. Those of you who do disagree are destined to be slaves. That is, if they don’t kill you first.
If you believe that Islam will “leave us alone” if we just leave them alone, you are wrong and have no understanding of these people. Same goes for the communists. The whole problem today is we have left these people alone too much – and now it’s coming back to bite us in the ass. We should have let Patton go all the way to Moscow. We should have let Israel go for SEVEN days in 1967. Bush Sr. should have IGNORED Powell. It is moderation in foreign policy that has caused this current state of affairs. If Washington would simply demonstrate the same level of restraint with their spending as they do in forwarding America’s best interests, we might have a chance.
Feel free to slumber in dreamland. I plan to go out upright and in color.
Bat-Shit Crazy
No one can protect you better than yourself. Even against a corrupt government. And Ron Paul thinks the individual should be more powerful than the government. Ths is what allows you to be free. Empower yourself, be a check and balance to government. Much better than believing all the crap these politicians say just to stay in office and then turn their backs on the people.
Oh and about 9/11. We do not need to look at the consipracies out there to see that there was something definitely wrong with that whole ordeal. This was no secret black ops government program so why did the government try to prevent the investigation for two years. It is not to prove a conspiracy, the information is needed to help prevent it from happening again. Also, the white house stated for months that there was no warnings leading up to the attacks but later we found out that there was and it stated imminent and like a month before the incident. We had a warning from the Bermuda government saying there were Muslims there at a business bragging about how they were going to fly planes into high rise buildings, there were two guys down in Florida who were trying to warn the FBI for 6 months but the owner threatened them to stay out of it. The owner later got a $5million reward simply for his testimony in court against the one guy caught. Sorry, I just do not trust that this government has my best interst at heart more than they lining their pockets.
Ron Paul is the only congressman also every year who gives back part of his pay back because he does not feel he should be paid when congress is not in session. Really no one up there has half the integrity he has. He cares about us as a nation and is not corrupted like the others.
This is why the status quo is attacking him.
If his ideas are so wrong, he would fail on his own and folks would just ignore it as not important. But when people attack with only name calling, you have to wonder what their agenda is. It is not that he is crazy, they just do not want him to win because this is like the people saying “End Game”.
Fuck Ron Paul and all his loony bin PaulNuts
PatriotWarMonger – you said Ron Paul or no other third party person would have a chance. But the majority of the population is not Republican or Democrat and so if we feel both parties are corrupt the people will begin to look elsewhere. Is it a bad thing, no not really. As American you can vote how you want and if you truly believe that only a Rpeublican or Democrat can win then that is fine. I do not share that view. I will say that way things have been it is probably true but will it always be this way, I am not so sure. I would much rather my vote go towards the person I want it to go to and if that person is not from one of these tow parties I a still going to vote that way. To make that argument kind of sounds like fear mongering to me because I am guessing you are saying that if RP does not win and I choose to not vote for the person who does then I am weakening the Republican parties chance of winning. However, when the Republican party gets tired of losing maybe they will begin to change. I think because of the tea party marches and tea party money bomb in support of Ron Paul is what led to the tea party and the name is catchy. Many of these people follow a certian guide of principles which do not always agree with the Republican party. But the Republican party did not imbrace these folks and so they were very successful with the first time running under that cacaus. Most are Republican but they are tea party first. So you can argue that they are still Republican but in my mind they are like a third party who caused more change in a single election than any other. Really the Republican party should thank them.
Ron Paul is not attacking us saying we deserve 9/11 as a people. He is attacking our foreign policy. Our intelligence agencies have written about this and it is where RP get’s most of his information. I would trust that myself more than what the politicans are saying just to get in office.
“leave us alone” – OMG, really. Bad must die, good can live. That sound like playing god. Ron Paul does say Americans are good but it is our government that we need to watch out for. Our founding fathers and previous presidents have warned also against this. Attacking our foreign policy is not saying America is bad.
All I know is if any other country out there thinks they are justified to attack us and they do and I am the only surviving member left in my family is that I would not stop until I get even. I can not expect anyone else anywhere else in this world to be different.
I was over there in the first war and operation southern watch. I spent another 5 years over there working and I work Muslims. If they are all so bad, let’s round them up and kick them out of this country. Why we are at it let’s pick a few other groups of people to kick them out also. Wait a minute, maybe if a wake up I may see that this has already begun.
Ron Paul may not win the presidency, but the movement will continue and the next generation Ron Paul will. It is only a matter of time. The status quo, the majority has created the problems we have and this must change. How can anyone trust these guys taking office saying one thing and taking the oath to support and defend the constitution but not care about either? This logic makes sense but I am the crazy guy who wants to vote for someone more honest. Even McCain said Ron Paul was the most honest guy he knew in Congress. Congress knows he is themost intelligent about our monetary system which is why he is chairman of the financial committee.
We lost about 3000 people on 9/11 and since then we have over 30,000 troops wounded and maybe about 10,000 killed. It is estimated that nearly 1.4 million civilians have been killed by our military. What defines success? When we rid the world of all Muslims? Holy crap, is this what we are pushing for? If this is the case we can start right here at home but man this is going to get way more costly economically, politically, and socially. In that case maybe isolationism might be the best way to go. Get rid of them here first and bring all our military home for national defense. Then because everyone is here, if these fundamentalist attack us we can try try few conventional methods but then just nuke them. After a nuke or two I think we will be safe then.
revparadigm – ha ha ha, your funny. You think I am ignoring that but I did speak on that. I will say this though do not have any more time to be on here. I am actually pretty involved with the Republican party when I can be for years and the other day I was talking to long time friend of mine who is also a Republican. I asked him why aren’t the conservatives gettig more involved than they are and he said “well we are the ones working hard, creating jobs, and paying the taxes that everyone else thinks they should get a free hand out to, so we are too busy” and I thought about it and yes he is right. I did put some tie in today for this blog but only because I worked about 38 hours this weekend on a project I need to get done by next week. But normally I do not have time for this stuff and I have to focus on business. My apartment building took some damage up in Virginia with the huricane, and my rental house has three trees down in the front yard. But no matter what non sense is talked about on here I will vote on principles and honesty before I would vote any other way. You can respond again if you want but I will not be on here probably ever again.
PatriotWarMonger – thank you for the discussion. while we do not agree 100% we did bring up some different things of interests. I will say though, that I have been a Republican for about 30 years and I walked the line and when I decided to support Ron Paul in 2007 for the 2008 election the party turned on me. So now I will vote for who I want to. Good day to ya.
Ron and his worshipers are getting very tiresome.
Correction.. shit for brains Ron.. its the Muslims who have not learned their lesson.. and if douchebags like you would shut up we will teach them a lesson they will never forget.. get off the sidewalk.. Muslim swine.. and bow down when an American walks by..
I suspect Ron forgot to refresh his Thorazine suppository.
I think it’s important to understand why these attacks happened. Ten years later, I think we owe it to ourselves to know that.
The purpose of terrorism is to send a message. Those maniacs attacked us for three main reasons, and they went to great lengths to make sure we knew them. According to bin Laden and al Zawahiri, these reasons are 1.) The gulf war, 2.) us support of Israel, and 3.) the “continued presence” of us troops in Saudi Arabia.
That being said, I want it to be known that nothing the United States has EVER done can justify the murder of those 3000 innocent men, women, and children on September 11. I am merely stating the reasons given by the terrorists themselves. The fact is, you could probably make a good argument to justify Ll of those actions The idea that their primary motivation is to bring about the end of world is simplistic and unfounded. The towers specifically were chosen as a response to US actions in Lebanon in the 80′s, for example.
It is too easy to just call these people madmen and not think why educated young men were willing to train for years to fly thousands of miles to blow themselves up in some distant nation. See many terror attacks in Canada? Stop listening to Sean Hannity and actually think about why these things happen. It’s been ten years. Thousands of our men have died and over a million of theirs, and yet al Qaeda still exists, and in more countries now than ever before. Maybe we’re trying to put out a fire with gasoline?
So many people on here are SO stupid! A jihad against non-Muslims? There’s a small minority of Muslims who believe that, and they get their fuel from the US foreign policy and other NATO nations. Islam, as a religion, is peaceful. Muslims are taught the that “people of the Book” are to be protected because they’ve gone astray from the faith. The “people of the book” are Jews and Christians. They want to convert us through peace not war. Now it’s true, you cannot argue against their bloody past. In 600 AD the Muslim religion gained the ground it has today through the Muslim empires, BUT, that was more political than religious, just as any empire always is. TRUE Islam is peaceful, and most Muslims are true Muslims, not radicals.
Do any of those morons I am addressing actually know what a jihad is? It’s a holy war Muslims wage against anyone who is threatening their religion, culture, way of life, homes, and families. It’s a war of survival, not expansion. If Muslims are fighting a jihad, it’s because we forced them to by invading their countries, toppling their governments, supporting bloody dictators, and killing their citizens, women and children! Why the FUCK do you think they are mad! Wouldn’t you be?
I think everyone has to take a step back and take a look at the “war on terrorism” objectively. If we look at history, we can see two sides to every coin. In any society, the ambitious, powerful and greedy follow continuous cycle of lust for power, money and greed. The wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan like most wars, is for one thing and only one thing; money. In any crisis, the sly and deceitful will use it as an advantage to profit from the poor and suffering. There’s a market for coca cola as well as coca. The game is rigged and American’s keep following there cheerleader politicians who give the perception of”free choice”. I don’t think any Country should get rid of their intelligence agency however, I don’t agree with Paul. No Country is free from blood. Everything is chess not checkers… don’t take anything at face value.