Bad Idea: Turkey Sending Three Warships To Eastern Mediterranean To Protect Gaza-Bound Ships From Israeli Navy…
And Israel will send them to the bottom of the Mediterranean if they get out of line.
(JPost) — Turkey is planning to send three warships to the Eastern Mediterranean to defend against Israeli vessels if necessary and ensure freedom of navigation for Turkish ships, Today’s Zaman reported on Monday.
The Turkish ships will provide protection for ships bringing humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip and confront Israeli warships outside of Israel’s territorial waters if necessary, according to the report.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan saw “grounds for war” with Israel last year after a deadly raid on a Turkish ship headed for Gaza, according to a transcript of a recent interview.
State news agency Anatolia released late on Sunday what it said was an original Turkish-language transcript of an interview Erdogan gave to Al Jazeera television last week. It included elements not broadcast as well as original wording for sensitive comments that had been transmitted only in Arabic translation.
Among previously unpublished elements, Erdogan said the IDF’s deadly raid last year on a Turkish ship headed for Gaza would have justified going to war: “The attack that took place in international waters did not comply with any international law. In fact, it was grounds for war. However, befitting Turkey’s greatness, we decided to act with patience,” he said.
The transcript in Turkish from Anatolian, apparently provided by Erdogan’s office, also gave the following account of the prime minister’s response to a question on what Turkey would do to ensure free passage for its ships in the Mediterranean.
“Right now, without a doubt, the primary duty of Turkish navy ships is to protect its own ships,” Erdogan said.
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Stand Tall Israel.
Turkey under Erdogan has become a menace.
Does Israel have submarines? Why can’t the “Palestinians” live peacefully with Israelis like the 1.5 million (20% of total population) Muslim Arabs who are Israeli citizens? The answer of course is Islamist ideology. The “Palestinians” are held captive by the violent jihadists in their midst. Western politicians must realize this fact. Fundamentalist Muslims will NEVER accept the existence of a “Jewish” state.
Could get dicey. I hope not though.
The question for us is..what will our Messiah do to calm the seas of the Eastern Mediterranean?
@Simon: They do. Extremely advanced subs which are virtually undetectable, so I’ve heard.
Anyone see the piece today on the Israeli sub fleet.
I’m betting there are 3 or more trailing those Turkish assholes right now… firing solutions pre set.
The Loser-in-Chief will probably give a public, finger-wagging scolding to Netanyahu and tell him to make nice with Turkey or the U.S. will reconsider its opposition to a unilaterally declared Palestinian state at the UN.
PapaDan,
Forget what he could do theoretically. In reality he will pour gasoline on the flames and make it worse.
Turkey knows Obama is a one term president with 393 days left in office,
So they have to make their move now.
Turkey is a NATO member so we might be obligated by treaty to respond to an “attack” on them by a non-NATO country (Israel). That might cause some awkwardness.
Let Turkey send their newest and finest three warships so they can end up at the bottom of the Eastern Mediterranian.
The great one will indeed scold and threaten Israel. Humanitarian aid manifest:
Guns, grenades, rocket launchers, mortars, nerve gas, ball bearings, nails, bullets and 2 bags of rice.
Looks like a great opportunity for a Jihadi work accident. I’d love to see that film!
Well, I hope that those stupid ragggheads will try something stupid. I would love to see Turkey and Egypt get spanked. Dumb s*hitheads that they are, they deserve it.
Keep in mind Egypt–what happened when G_D showed you that he didn’t like you in times past.
This is a bad idea. USA should warn Turkey agains this as should NATO. Any event, intended or otherwise has potential to spark a regional war. What will O’doofus do? A speech maybe? The ramifications of armed conflict will escalate and with no response from USA, will embolden other hostiles in the region, i.e. Egypt, Syria, Iran, Libya et al. Be prepared folks.
Israel isn’t going to do shit! They are going to let those Turkish ship right on past and will monitor their every move, but won’t start a war over it! Israel is in a very bad situation right now and is pretty much on her own!
You know another thing Obama inherited from Bush, the Camp David Accords and peace between Turkey and Israel. God help us all, it will be a miracle if Obama doesn’t start WW3 on his watch.
How about some wire cables placed around the propeller shafts before they leave port?
it will be a miracle if Obama doesn’t start WW3 on his watch.
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I really think he wants to…
because Krugman told him war is good for the economy…
that is … except when Bush was doing it…
Israeli subs have torpedos and Harpoon missles….ship killers both. Those boys will lie in wait and if Turkey fires on the Israeli surface ships…well, I’d suspect the Turkish ship would be history.
Problem is, this is probably just what these isalmic savages want…so what if Turkey loses a ship with 100 men who all get to see allah and 72 virgins…the deed is done and the world would let the muzzies slide and OK the retaliation.
Here we go, God bless you Israel. …… Never Again
I always tell my wife , when SHTF we`re moving to Texas or Israel because they got the Balls to fight.
There have been many predictions that the next world war would begin in the mid-east. This Turkish incursion could be the catalyst.
If we had a real leader, we’d have half the FIFTH FLEET in there, along with a significant, combined Fleet Marine Force and US Army BCT from the Counterattack Corps (III Corps). They’d be there not to be some kind of referees, but as BACKUP for Israeli forces, LAND, AIR and SEA. Palestinian scumbags launch a terrorist attack? They end up running afoul of USN SeALs or Army Rangers (or even Special Forces). Raghead fleet from Turkey coming in? They know they’re heading right into the firepower of cruisers, frigates and our last remaining BATTLESHIP.
However, with this punk in office, he’d be sending them to try bullying the Israelis, and shoot down their planes and sink their ships if they fought back against anyone.
Obama could stop this. Turket is a NATO member and Obama has the power to stop this.
Israel has three subs…Turkey sending three ships..works out perfectly.
This is an act of war by Turkey against Israel. The Turks be damned to hell.
@Isaac Bishop
BAM…nail on the head there Jr.
Since Obumbler seized office….not nary a peep or two of what the US Navy has been up to. Remember, politicians relocated naval ships at Pearl prior to the attack and today, the liberal fucknuts may also be (to a lesser degree) placing our Navy at less than opportune positions.
We’ve probably got a carrier group off the coast of Haiti for earthquake relief (wasn’t that years ago) or in some other minor role or dumbass location.
And who will protect the Turkish Navy while it is protecting blockade runners?
Israel has at least 4 Dolphin Class subs. The Turkish Navy would never see it coming. LOL
Erdugan leads Turkey Islamic evolution!
Erdugan violates international laws–supports terrorists and claims to be human rights champion!
*Erdugan said that HAMAS is a sister party!
Erdugan recognized that terrorists are his family.
1:”We condemn the assassination of Osama Bin Laden,an Arab holy warrior”
Palestinian Hamas Prime Minister, Ismail Haniyeh. –
2:Hamas charter:”The day of judgment will not come until Moslems fight killing the Jews.
The stones and trees will say O MOSLEM, THERE IS A JEW BEHIND ME, KILL HIM”
3:”Hiding among civilians prevents armies with western values the ability to fight. We impose a new non conventional equation in wars”
Said by Hamas leader Khalid Mash’al on Al-Jazeera.
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*Turley and Iraq are in peace.
However, Turkey bombs and conducts military actions across the border in Iraq against the Kurds.
Remember:
The Kurds fight for cultural rights.
They don’t fight to destroy Turkey.
NATO and the UN is silent.I wander why?
*IHH the operators of Marmara ship-protected by Erdugan- is a Turkish Islamic movement part of the global Jihad network.
*IHH was connected to the Islamist terror attack attempt at Los Angeles Airport
*Danish and Franch intelligence Institutes wrote:
1:IHH is connected to Al Qaeda.
In IHH offices Explosives,terror instruction manuals, weapons and Improvised explosive documents have been founded
2:IHH supports Jihadist groups in: several EU countries, Syria-Afghanistan-Iraq Falllujiah- Chechnya-Algeria.
3;Erdugan is frequently funded by IHH.
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Islamist Erdugan- not Ataturk legacy!
Last heard the US has 1 or 2 Carrier groups in the Persian Gulf. I think Obama deployed them there to protect Iran from an Israeli attack.
Of course, once Iran has workable nukes, we will have to withdraw our carrier forces and will not be able to project significant surface naval assets into the Persian Gulf.
Israel has to protect the Leviathan gas fields, send some Dolphins into the Persian Gulf with cruise missiles to take care of Iran’s nuclear factories, and deal with Turkish and Egyptian naval forces.
That’s a lot of trouble for a small navy.
Obama and the US State Department have betrayed Israel. The US has all but guaranteed Iranian nukes and a regional war. Israel cannot depend on the US for resupply. The US may have left Israel with no conventional choices.
Put not your faith in princes.
I hope Turkey sends in those ships becasue I’m betting Israel will be waiting for them. No question.
Can we please dump them out of NATO now?
Many individuals on here are commenting based on cultural stigmas and myth.
Here are some facts for you to consider before making absurd comments:
Many IDF soldiers have worked side by side with the Turks during “Reliant Mermaid” naval exercises (held between the US, Turkey and Israel in the past) and they know first hand the military capabilities of each other.
First and foremost before commenting on the Turkish Republic I highly recommend that you do a quick Google search on the Turkish Navy and the word “MILGEM” before commenting on here.
The Turks have 19 modern guided missile frigates (heavily modernized Oliver Hazard Perry class, MEKO class and MILGEM class), 14 Advanced German-Turkish submarines (Type 209 SSK’s similar to the Israeli Dolphin class), 7 Corvettes and 104 Fast attack craft.
All Turkish Navy frigates have Mk-41 VLS launch systems with the ability to fire NATO standard Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles (ESSM) against incoming airborne threats (such as combat aircraft and anti-ship missiles). They also have the ability to fire SM-1 missiles.
All Turkish naval surface combatants also operate AGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Anti-submarine helicopters (Sikorsky SH-60) which are commonly known as “Submarine Hunter-killers”.
These are not toys but highly lethal highly advanced weapons that only a handful of NATO members possess.
Turkish Naval assets can neutralize any airborne threat such as the F-16 and F-15 in the IAF inventory far beyond visual range and with almost 95% accuracy.
All Turkish military assets have their own cryptology and counter-electronic jamming capabilities which prevent any external electronic interference. Accordingly, one cannot successfully use electronic warfare techniques against these systems to neutralize them.
The missiles in the Turkish inventory in addition to GPS guidance use INS and have Terrain Referenced Navigation, Automatic Target Recognition Imaging Infrared Seekers and TERCOM features, thus making them operational even in the event that the USA disables the GPS satellite network.
The Turks also have indigenous Link 16/22 equivalent data exchange systems making them part of a handful of countries which have a true network centric armed force.
There are plenty of armchair generals out there, but just ask the military professionals before you comment. I know that the Turks lack in many regards but I also know one of their core strengths that is there military, which happens to be the world’s sixth (6th) largest and NATO’s second largest after the US armed forces.
They have been armed to the teeth against soviet aggression and have always been ready against a Russian attack. Their army alone with 4,500 tanks and 6,500 APC’s dwarfs all its neighbors armies combined.
Unfortunately, the lives of innocent 18-22 year old Israeli and Turkish conscripts are on the line here. These “mine is bigger than yours” comments are just absurd and irrelevant. Get a grip and come to reality.
@Oliver. Your post is a timely reminder of the dangers of supplying advanced technology to Muslim countries. Erdogan is no friend of the West.
Oliver reminds us that Turkey is not the stereotypical Islamic shit-hole. For decades, it was a secular state, existing on the outskirts of Europe, involved in Europe and Middle Eastern politics and economics. Its government and economy are heavily influenced by European models. It is a member of NATO for a reason, and even petitioned to be a member of the European Union. In many regards, Turkey and Israel are similar.
This is not like Iraq sending some gun-boat into the Mediterranean…these are highly advanced weapons.
@ mrteachersir
I get that, but with Erdogan ruling Turkey, Turkey has become a pain in the ass for Israel. Erdoclown is hostile Israel.
* to Israel. Sorry about that.
@Simon- Not quite. The Turks have no shortage of scientists or universities. German academics of Turkish ethnicity are also very active in Turkey. The Turks develop a vast majority of their military technology and are becoming less reliant on us. Although not widely known by the lay person many NATO member countries use some form of Turkish designed and produced military systems. One of their biggest achievements is the MILGEM class stealth corvette/frigates and the Altay tank. The moral of the story is that ToT is not a one way highway. We are also benefiting from the Turks in some way shape and form.
Turkey also has a very robust and industrialized economy. They are now the second fastest growing economy in the world. There stature is growing exponentially and we cannot afford to loose them.
@mrteachersir- The mistake we make is that we write off and disregard all Muslims as dumb barbarians suffering from religious mania. The reality is that a vast majority of the non-arab Muslims do not fit this stereotype (Turkey, Azerbeijan, Kazakstan, Indonesia etc). They are decent people with no desire for conflict. Turkey has been beside us during the Korean war, cold war, 9/11, Kosovo, Afghanistan etc They are in NATO for a reason. Turkey is an indispensable ally in the Islamic world for us.
OK – here is my two cents – though this may or may not be relevant. Lots of Turks also live in Germany, and one of the key issues to rising islamic fundamentalism in Germany relates to Germany’s laws against another nation providing religious education. The Turks were peaceful in Germany, and then the country started having problems with some fundamentalists after Germany told Turkey that it could no longer provide korans and religious training literature to the Turks there. That void was filled by the Saudis. Not the Saudi government directly, but recall that the Saudi royals made a deal to stay in power long ago with the religious fundamentalists. The royal family rules the governmet, and the clerics rule the religious aspects. The school of islam, so to speak, stepped in to Germany and started pushing the fundamentalism – and they met the legal requirements by not being a “country”. In a way, Germany shot it self in the foot. (Just as we have here in the USA). Sorry for the rather hurried explanation, but I have no doubt that some of this fundamentalism filtered backwards into Turkey as well. This might also have something to do with the rise in fundamentalism and somewhat of a reversal of the secular state within Turkey.
Just a thought.
@Oliver: Therein lies the problem we are facing: Turkey WAS an indispensible ally in the Islamic world to Israel as well, as was Egypt (well, at least they could count on Egypt not bombing them…). Now, as Turkey becomes an Islamic nation (as a opposed to a nation of Muslims), Turkey ceases to be an ally to Israel and strains its relationship with us. This strain was evident in 2003, when we sought approval to use Turkish airspace in our efforts to unseat Saddam, but were denied (unlike ten years earlier).
Turkey was a only a friend while under the soviet menace
the soviets are gone, so is Turkey’s “friendship”
They are Muslims, no word or pact with them is to be trusted.
This is proven by their betrayal of Israel, their once “ally”
They’ll turn on us soon, If we don’t toss them out of Nato they’ll
walk out, and attack Israel or Greece the next day.
If they are smart the warships will be lucky to protect their own ass.
My boss said, “IF I was a Turkish sailor, I’d make sure my life vest was in good working order.”
Erdogen and his Islamist Party imprisoned or forced out all their top military leadership in a purge of powerful secularists within the government. These military people have kept Turkey a viable country since Ataturk. They’ve also put the economy into a painful slide.
Does Erdogen have the will and the remaining military officer corps had the way to push through Israel’s legitimate blockade?
I think he is bluffing for domestic political advantage.
@Templar223 – It is about time that you inform your “boss” about the Nuclear capability that the Turks also have which is not widely known.
(1) Turkey has a nuclear weapons sharing treaty with Pakistan. Accordingly, it has access to Pakistani nuclear weapons.
(2) Turkey is part of the NATO nuclear sharing agreement. As such it has 90 B-61 nuclear warheads stationed on its soil in Adana, Turkey. 40 of these are under direct Turkish command.
(3) Even if for sum reason Turkey cannot use the B-61 warheads (due to source codes etc) Turkey can effectively use the fissile weapons grade uranium contained in these weapons to create a “weaker” form of dirty nuclear bomb. Turkey has J-600T ballistic missiles in its inventory developed together with the Peoples Republic of China which can deliver these “dirty bombs” to Tel Aviv at short notice. The Turks also has higly specialised Stand-off cruise missiles (Google “SOM Missile”).
I repeat we are not dealing with a 3rd world country here but rather a successor state to a former empire who has been at the forefront of European politics for the past 600 years. A state which has the world’s 6th largest military. A country which is home to the 3rd holliest sites in Islam (Destructon of these holly sites alone is enough to trigger war on a large scale).We need to step in and mediate between the Turks and Israeli’s there is alot at stake here.
Please israeli people do not get aheaf of you self.
Turkey is not hamas or hizbullah they are much more
powerfull than the french and german militaries combined
sit and talk is my opinion going to war with a country whome
has an army larger than the population of israel and weapons
that match israel is not looking good.
The Israeli government has to simply choose between the two following options:
(1) Loose the ego, apologize to Turkey for something that they believe they are not responsible for, suffer some form of embarrassment and eventually resume relations with its former ally. As far as I recall all Turkey is asking for is an apology for the 9 dead.
(2) Do not apologize to Turkey, fuel the rift between the two countries and eventually go to war. Be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of 18-22 year old conscripts from both sides.
My view:
People apologize on a daily basis when they accidently shoulder barge someone or when they collide with someone and knock their coffee down when they walk in their path because their head faces the ground when the other walks. Going to war because your ego does not allow you to apologize is a little absurd. Human life is not that cheap. Just apologize and neutralize the excuse the Turks have to isolate you.
If turkey lose those 3 ships then i think that the isreal zionist bitches get the big war that they want usa will spank isreal you all wil see
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Fckerss
Turkey does not have the Altay tank yet, not one
Turkey does not have 40 B-61 nuclear warheads under their
control
Siezing those weapons would be an act of war against the US and all of NATO. Do you assume that the Americans have not considered that scenario? That is IF they are still there.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-206266-report-us-considers-withdrawing-nuclear-bombs-from-turkey.html
And lastly we’ve all heard of the “big” tough armies, like Saddams before the gulf wars, or like Stalin’s after the purge of the generals,
(which has been happening in Turkey)
In fact we hear a lot of bullshit, about Muslim military might mainly from Muslims, like Bagdad Bob, Mo “the line of Death” Gaddafi, and now Muhammed “Oliver” Goebbels.
Those of you who think Israel can overcome Turkey’s firepower, just log on to
http://www.globalfirepower.com/ and compare the two country’s entire fighting capabilities. For your information, Turkey is the 6th most powerful country in the world militarily, while Israel is number 10. These rankings are there for a reason. if Israel wants some decent spanking, let them mess with the Turks. I promise you guys, they will cry like babies until America rescue their ass.