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Drama queen (with extra emphasis on queen).

Republicanism As Religion — Andrew Sullivan, Daily Dish

. . .That too is my view: that the GOP, deep down, is behaving as a religious movement, not as a political party, and a radical religious movement at that. Lofgren sees the “Prosperity Gospel” as a divine blessing for personal enrichment and minimal taxation (yes, that kind of Gospel is compatible with Rand, just not compatible with the actual Gospels); for military power (with a major emphasis on the punitive, interventionist God of the Old Testament); and for radical change and contempt for existing institutions (as a product of End-Times thinking, intensified after 9/11). . .

If you ask why I remain such a strong Obama supporter, it is because I see him as that rare individual able to withstand the zeal without becoming a zealot in response, and to overcome the recklessness of pure religious ideology with pragmatism, civility and reason. That’s why they fear and loathe him. Not because his policies are not theirs’. But because his temperament is their nemesis. If he defeats them next year, they will break, because their beliefs are so brittle, but will then reform, along Huntsman-style lines. If they defeat him, I fear we will no longer be participating in a civil conversation, however fraught, but in a civil war.

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61 comments
  1. tommygun says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:31 am

    OK. Let the games begin.

  2. gastorgrab says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:32 am

    “……we will no longer be participating in a civil conversation……”

    ——–

    When did “WE” start being civil?

  3. mojo says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Andrew.

  4. Mickey Shea says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Clean the dingleberries outta that ratty beard, sheesh…

  5. Snowblind says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:37 am

    More than a little projection going on there Sully?

    Who is rioting in Britain, Greece and Italy? The conservatives?

    Sorry about injecting truth into the echo chambers, my bad.

  6. Bee1 says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:37 am

    What do you mean Andrew..”if” Obama loses? He will lose.

  7. Major Glory says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Oh we remeber how marxists act when they are not in power.

  8. deez says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Projection upon projection. The Republicans behaving like a religion for believing in smaller government? The only religious overtones I see are from the Leftists and their cult of Climate Change.

  9. GrumpyOne says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Andrew Sullivan spouted, “I fear we will no longer be participating in a civil conversation, however fraught, but in a civil war.”

    OK Andrew… If such occurs I hope that the first targets are the loonytunz liberals such as yourself that need to be put away…

  10. dahozho says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Yeah, if and ONLY if the whiny sore lefty losers decide democracy is just too difficult because, ya know, all us bitter clingers get out & vote with active braincells.

    The unions are already gearing up. Scary to think that LE are union on various levels.

    I truly fear for our Republic.

  11. zex says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Was that a threat? Sounds like a threat to me.

  12. Jimco says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:51 am

    That would be a civil war of a very short duration. Like one sunny weekend.

  13. Jimmy Page says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:51 am

    The Daily Dish (now The Daily Ditch) along with Little Green Footballs used to be the first place I turned to every morning when I turned on my computer at work. Times have changed.

  14. kansas says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:52 am

    If Obama Loses We Could Be Pushed Into a “Civil War”

    Yeah, right. Obama seems to be pushing for civil war right now.

  15. Vaughn says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:54 am

    And we’re going to treat Washington as well as Sherman treated Atlanta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. Hammer Libs says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I guess, after you’ve been tapped in the ass, all the shit starts moving up to your brain.

  17. big-pete says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Mr. Sullivan is hyperventilating because he sees the utter failure of his most cherished beliefs in the person of Barack Obama.

  18. gastorgrab says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    This is another example of Liberal plagiarism.

    Since they cannot reason for themselves, they take a conservative complaint of Liberals, then reverse all the roles.

  19. WM says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    @gastorgrab: Do you mean plagiarism or projectionism?

  20. Spurwing Plover says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Obama should be voted out and so should his floowers

  21. Popcorn says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Oh my, I thought we were already in a civil war. Just haven’t picked up the pitch forks yet.

  22. bwb says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    “…withstand the zeal without becoming a zealot…”

    If our POSPOTUS isn’t a zealot, I don’t know who would be? Seriously???

    I doubt he’ll float his loafers onto the front line of any kind of civil war. He’ll be the first to shriek and run to momma.
    As irritating as the assclowns and their asinine comments are, I think it’s a good sign that we are pushing the tide of commies back on their heels. It’s like the squeel of a lobster in a pot right before the clarified butter.

  23. CS_GUY says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Need to look up who this guy is………..no recognition. But, on the subject, he needs to look around, the War has already started and the Republicans are better prepared, more determined, and fully armed to right the injustices of this administration. NO to BO in 2012

  24. halodoc says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    zex says:
    September 13, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Was that a threat? Sounds like a threat to me.
    ________
    THAT was my thought too. That little f^cker just made a threat. If they lose they’re going to revolt. If we lose the only thing on my mind is the next mid terms, but if they lose the conversation degrades further with thoughts of civil war? This is beyond messed up.

  25. Vic says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Oh, what can we do??? What can we do??? bwaaa, bwaaaaaa. I guess in order to avoid any problems we have to do what A. Sullivan says and re-elect this magnificent president of ours. I mean, God forgive us if we don’t. We are already being called racists for not believing what the fearless leader believes in (btw, I am not white), if we vote against him, what will they call us?? And it will be our fault if there are problems, A. Sullivan says so , I wonder what the A really stands for, I have an idea but this is not the right place to write about it.

  26. Hidajunshin says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    So he’s admitting that radical extremists like him will take up arms against Americans. OK…I’ll remember that.

  27. Lolo says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    And the Oscar goes to….

  28. Sentinel says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    @Vic
    “…..I wonder what the A really stands for, I have an idea but this is not the right place to write about it.”

    Yes, this IS the right place to write about it. This site still believes in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution so expound away, unless you don’t really use that type language in which case I’ll be more than happy to do.

  29. xerocky says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Another tea party extremeist talking violence…oh wait.

  30. Davey Mac says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    “……we will no longer be participating in a civil conversation……”

    Here’s how that stopped: Obama – Reid – Pelosi – Frank. And a supporting cast of MSM. So, Andy, how’s that working out for ya?

    END OF (civil) DISCUSSION.

    VOTE – 2012

  31. Your Kidding says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    You know? I believe him. Some how, some way, these guys are totally beyond the logic of the conservatives. These are aliens right out of Wonderland. Thus any common sense argument is to them some fanatical religious dogma. Amazed though how he admits the liberals are capable of violence. Sure glad gun owners are mostly conservatives.

  32. Aeroman says:
    September 13, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Bring it. Just shut up and bring it.

    I’m tired of you socialist takers calling me names, threatening me, and threatening my country, all the while with your filthy grubby little fingers on my wallet taking my hard earned money because you think your entitled to it. For too long I’ve sat back hoping you’d go away, hoping you’d stop feeding my kids heads with your failed socialist propaganda.

    NO MORE! You want a fight? So BE it. When me and those like me rise up, those of your ilk will rue the fate that you will have brought upon yourselves. Like the cancer you are on this country, you will be cut out of the national fabric and disposed of.

    Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing. Start it, woe be unto you…..

  33. possum says:
    September 13, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Time is a wasting. Lets just git it right now !!!!!!!!!! Pack your lunch Lefties, you gonna need it. ROFLMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. Trialdog says:
    September 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    We are already in the war. Marxist radicals v. American patriots.
    Choose a side.
    Do you want to do away an antiquainted constitutional system of limited government and individual liberties in favor of a system of flexible collective rights and responsibilities as determined by a perpetual class of ruling elites?
    Take your pick.

  35. J in MS says:
    September 13, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    With all the screaming of racism, extremism, and “hateful vitriol”, I wouldn’t be surprise one damn bit if the left went apeshit and riots broke out after O is shown the door. Then have the balls to say the right started it.

    They’re simply telegraphing their punches, like they always do.

  36. Keep Honkin I'm Reloading says:
    September 13, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    So?

    Is this to be the next Left Wing mantra?… “capitulate to reelecting Obama or there will be war”
    Your boy Obama will go down in flames come 2012…so,
    I say, you’d better get to learning how to operate those “evil” weapons that you panty waste, metrosexual, shit talking libtards are always coming out to ban… if it’s really a battle you jacklegs want…

    To quote Dos Holiday…

    “I’m you Huckleberry”

  37. minuteman26 says:
    September 13, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Civil war would allow us to cull these Marxist bastards out of the heard. Bring it on if you dare.

  38. GRIZZ says:
    September 13, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    http://is.gd/dZhNcX

    bitches

  39. Nothing up my sleeve says:
    September 13, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Don’t join dangerous cults: practice safe sects.

  40. texray says:
    September 13, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    it s not about race ,princess
    he was voted in by whites,blks,hispanics,
    we gave him a chance, but he is way in over his head.

  41. Laura Castellano says:
    September 13, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I have every expectation that there will be rioting in some cities when Obama’s ass is handed to him next November. I also fully expect those riots to be put down fast, because this isn’t Englandistan. That crap’s not gonna fly on this side of the pond. Too many armed citizens who aren’t going to just sit back and take it, and an entirely different mindset as to what freedom means. So go ahead and threaten, Andy. We’re way ahead of you.

  42. Hickhayseed says:
    September 13, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    You know what Mr. (Pantywaist) Sullivan? The belief of Life, Liberty & Pursuit of Happiness is NOT AT ALL being brittle. Any discourse with you is an absolute waste of time because your definitions of things are in such opposition to what the Tea Party and such stand for.

    As far as his temperament being our nemesis? You’ve completely lost me there.

  43. andycanuck says:
    September 13, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Obama’s loss will start a civil war but it won’t be started by the “Right” and I know who is going to win that war and it isn’t going to be the Left.

  44. Zoltanne says:
    September 13, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Pushed to a ‘civil war’ or something? And we’re scared?
    ROFLMAO!

  45. Spurwing Plover says:
    September 13, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Bountys on all black panthers

  46. Marc says:
    September 13, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Sully will be the first member of the Gay Corps in the trenches with his pink beret and jockstrap for Barry’s cause…

  47. BL@KBIRD says:
    September 13, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    So spake a tool of Satan.

  48. nugykent says:
    September 13, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    more of obama’s army.

  49. Radegunda says:
    September 13, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Andy gets a thrill up his leg every time he sees Barry. Don’t look for anything deeper behind his fandom.

  50. Madame De Farge says:
    September 13, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I just can’t stand to look at this wimp…or listen, read anything from him either.

  51. 24Klady says:
    September 13, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    It won’t be started by conservatives, but by street thugs. But, conservatives will finish it.

    We have an abundant supply of men/women that have been trained in all methods of warfare. I can only hope those that do support Bam would not aggressively persue their former brothers in arms. If our prissy in chief had any honor, he’d be the first to condemn it. I wouldn’t place a bet on that one.

  52. Beckwith says:
    September 13, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    My rifle and gun club (just outside Boston) had 3,000 members in June 2010. It now has 4,000 members.

    Just a coincidence, I suppose.

  53. MikeS says:
    September 13, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I too expect Chairman Zero’s supporters to riot when their messiah loses the election. But, if past history is any indicator, they will burn down their own homes and neighborhoods.

    Mr. Sullivan, the “civil conversation” ended the day Chairman Zero was elected and any opposition to his socialist agenda became “racism.”

  54. NJK says:
    September 13, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    We’ll sit back and watch the National Guard shoot you with water cannons and guns. Every Governor needs to be prepared. Get the water cannons ready and put them on full blast!

  55. NJK says:
    September 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Obama will be behind the scenes organizing it all. Hopefully he’ll be in prison before then for money laundering through the Department of Energy to Solyndra and others. Did I mention he’s also an accessory to murder in Fast and Furious, Gunwalker, and Grenadewalker.

    He’s speaking at a HS today. He’s preying on underage children now, isn’t he?

  56. Auntie Izlam says:
    September 13, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    If people riot then law enforcement needs to stop them by any means.

  57. Bill says:
    September 13, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    God bless the 2nd amendment.

  58. George Sweetapple says:
    September 13, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Andrew Sullivan in right.

    You people talk out your asses, and I am pretty sure America is smart enough NOT to elect a creepy, religious pedophile from backwards-ass Texas. So much hate is demonstrated in the debates, that you won’t win many votes outside of Texas, where all the crazy people with guns live.

    Grow up and stop posting such stupid shit. Politics deals with people’s lives. It isn’t pro-wrestling.

  59. zeprin says:
    September 14, 2011 at 9:20 am

    “…You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors.”
    A. Lincoln

    Still applies .

  60. MPAULY says:
    September 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Proud to be 1 of those “crazy people with guns”…but i don’t live in TX. Down here in the heart of Dixie, we pray for riots just so we can cull the herds of entitlement-mentality moochers and leaches. To hell with the water cannons. Bring your flash-mob to ATL and me and a few other good ol’boys will show you a muzzle-flash mob. To hell with LE stopping the riots. You know the old saying, “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away”
    On another note, I’m glad I didn’t reenlist. My mama would be ashamed of me for fighting in an army with him as a CIC.
    Somebody tell this dude (and i use that term lightly) that the last thing the left wants is to follow the Arab Spring with an AMERICAN spring.

    And just so I can say I threw my hat into this ring too…
    My dislike for BHO isn’t because of his skin tone. I dislike him because he is an idiot. His policies are destroying this country that I fought for and his wife openly admitted that, until recently, she had never had pride in this country. Both of them are die-hard anti-American and want nothing more than the complete destruction of this nation.

    PERRY/CAIN 2012

  61. George Sweetapple says:
    September 15, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Mpauly,

    You have given an excellent example of what I was talking about. Talking out of your ass. Your are certainly entitled to your own crazy, stupid opinion. If you actually act on your opinion, you will be in jail. You are literally advocating murder. What is wrong with you? That isn’t a political position. It is nuts.

    BHO is the elected president. Once again, you are free to think he is anti american and all, but you are simply wrong. Your perception of reality is wrong, and your solutions are immoral, illegal and reprehensible. Your platform of murder isn’t feasible, ethical or even possible.

    It is just talk; out your ass.

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