Iraq War Veteran Injured at OWS Oakland Founder of IHateTheMarineCorps.com…
The Soros-funded group MoveOn.org sent out this email last night to support their new hero:
Dear MoveOn member,
On Tuesday, police in Oakland aggressively used “nonlethal” rounds to disperse peaceful protesters from Occupy Oakland. Their violent overreaction seriously injured Iraq war veteran Scott Olsen, leaving him hospitalized with a fractured skull.
Iraq Veterans Against the War, of which Scott is a member, has asked everyone to share the image below to show support. Click here to share this photo to make sure every American knows about this tragedy.
We need as many folks as possible to know about this awful incident so that mayors and police departments around the nation think twice about using force to remove Occupy protesters.
IVAW has also called for vigils for Scott tonight at local Occupy sites at 7 p.m. local time. You can find out if the Occupy near you is participating by going to http://www.occupytogether.org/. Or, just head down to your local occupation to stand in solidarity with IVAW and Scott this evening.
Scott Elsen is the founder of Marine-bashing website IHateTheMarineCorps.com
Via Verum Serum:
It has been widely reported that Olsen is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. But apparently his opposition to the U.S. military and the Marine Corps in which he served runs a little deeper.
The site is no longer live, but Olsen was the founder of IHateTheMarineCorps.com, a private user forum apparently dedicated to bashing the Marine Corps.
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Disclaimer: I’ve never been a member of the military, and I have the utmost respect for those who serve, BUT…
If you dedicate your post-military life to bashing the military, then I don’t think you should cloak yourself in “veteran” status.
agreed.
i wonder what his discharge status is?
Well, if one is experienced at occupation, wouldn’t it make sense that ones “skill set” would be useful in terms of staging other occupations?
And people laughed when it was said that bringing the troops back from Iraq could be the beginning of the imposition of martial law.
Appears he likes to get high. Maybe he was coked up and high, when he stood in front of the police to play chicken with their weapons?
Maybe another scenario could have been, one of the OWS Sgt, the only Sgt. this puke would listen to, told the suckers all to go stand to the front because the cops wouldn’t dare to disperse such peace loving protesters.
I am not surprised by any of the OWS resumes and conviction sheets.
Our Marine “hero” has an interesting name at this site:
http://www.last.fm/user/mrahab
Unsurprisingly, it looks like the OWS martyr has an issue with the “Hebrews” as well, judging by his comment at
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080307_iraq_turkey_look_to_end_kurdish_clashes/
Soros need to be deported from america forever
Bradley “WikiLeaks” Manning’s boyfriend? No straight Marine would be caught dead in a photo holding a fluffy, girlie dog.
Now they’ve found a Martyr.
This is the problem that I have long objected to. The stigma that EVERYONE in the military is a HERO of some sort. I was in the Military for 10 years and I am no way a hero.
Anyone in the military will tell you if they had a choice to be on the recieving end of a gun pointing at them or be somewhere else, the common consensus would be…”be somewhere else!”
However, service members don’t HAVE A CHOICE where to be, they take orders. There are going to be those who “don’t like being put in harm’s way”. Its natural. Just because this guy was in the military (and yes, an honorable act) that does not innoculate him from commiting foolish acts. As in joining the OWS crowd.
But the left will use this as a vindication for the OWS crowd in an attempt to decieve everyone that even ALL of our service members support such a movement. This is nothing but sophistry. And only fools would believe that because the act of one misguided service member that ALL service members support this lame cause.
A “Marine” who hates War and The Marines, uses a Arab name that hates Jews. Hmmmm.
There’s that lie about peaceful protesters, again. If you want to throw rocks and bottles then you better be prepared to receive something in return.
During riot training it was hammered into us that there is no effective “nonlethal” round. Less-than-lethal was a more accurate term. Training,range and movement of the target can affect the impact point and damage potential of the round. Shit happens in the heat of the moment.
And I’m F’ing tired of stupid people being raised to hero status purely because they once served in the military. I’ve helped chapter out so many shitbags it’s mind blowing that they even made it thru basic training. Could they be called “veterans”. What is this assclown’s full story?
How did this puke get into the millitary to start with ??
1. Not all veterans are great guys; some are villainous pond-scum. WWII vets are often referred to as The Greatest Generation, Korean vets are invisible, Viet-Nam vets are in popular culture a bunch of drugged-out child-murderers, and contemporary vets are haled as another Greatest Generation. I knew some fellows in Viet-Nam who really did all the things John Wayne acted and were such good men also; I knew some others who were miserable thugs. Stereotyping whole groups is never valid.
2. So many purported Viet-Nam vets got no closer to Indo-china than a John Wayne movie. I suppose the same situation could obtain with a younger generation.
3. No one is as tough-talking and gung-ho as an am-radio babbler who never saw the first day of recruit training.
4. If a fellow mentions that he was a cook in Iraq, shake his hand; if he mentions his Silver Star, you might want to hang on to your wallet — the truth is often in inverse proportion to the babbling.
I have respect for those who have served. But who cares if he’s a vet? The police asked those people to go home, and he didn’t. That’s it. What happens after that is his fault. The police are there to keep law and order. From the get go OWS has been about being a disruption of law and order.
The left is acting all indignant because of his vet status, suddenly they care that he’s a vet. It matters not. Once you are discharged from the military, you are a citizen. You have to act as a citzen. If a “Vet” broke into your house and you defended your home against him, it doesn’t make you unpatriotic because you shot a “Vet”.
Clearly the OWS in Oakland was acting outside of the law, and he by joining them suffered the consequences. End of story. The OWS people should STFU about his vet status, as if in this case it changes anything.
fubarnosky has a good question!
Just as the Tunisian Arab Spring didn’t get going until some guy lit himself on fire, this is exactly what these people have been waiting for.
If he dies, his face will be on every poster and sign they can get the Unions to make for them.
They were in need of a face for the protest; now they have one.
He served. He is a veteran and he gets to claim that status because it’s the truth. If you didn’t, then your opinion on who or should not claim that “status” isn’t worth the sweat you never shed for your country.
I guess, after serving his nation in the Corps, he has earned the right to bash it if he wants. But for the rest of you–those who didn’t serve–where do you get off bashing him.
@More about him
Good finds.
It appears Scott Wilson a/k/a Mr. Ahab, resident Israeli hater and former soldier who founded ‘IhatetheMarines.com should have paid a little more attention to military training.
Out of all those people, he is the only one who didn’t duck when he should have.
Or maybe it was just that he was much more aggressive than the others.
Either way, cloaking him in the guise of what he apparently hates is just more Leftist BS. Tantamount to giving that crazy Muslim (Hassan?) who shot those soldiers at Fort Bragg praise for being a member of the military.
Here comes the commie Obots! Snort.
If he served, then he should know better than to disobey direct orders from authorized personnel pointing a shotgun at him.
The police were doing their jobs. I have no doubt the occupiers were all warned dozens of times to disperse prior to any forceful action took place.
Enjoy your hospital stay at my expense. Have an extra bowl of jell-o on me.
Applauding at Wrench Monkey
Yeah, that’s right! Some DO chapter out! Doesn’t make them any more a hero than I am.
>>>I have no doubt the occupiers were all warned dozens of times to disperse prior to any forceful action took place.
this was clearly stated somewhere -i don’t remember where i read it–
they were given 20 minutes to clear the area that the propellant was to be launched. they were warned multiple times.
he’s guilty of being stupid.
@tomdarga, tadcf , It’s called the First Amendment you losers, Bite Me.
LOL Katherine~ “should have paid more attention during his military training and should have learned to duck!”
hehehehehe-EPIC
I agree that not all military veterans are saints. However, the V A S T majority of them don’t turn into anti-military pond scum activists.
My son-in-law is a Marine. Calling the liberal piece of excrement a marine is an insult to my son-in-law, which, in my mind, makes it personal.
A “Marine” who hates War and The Marines, Pot user, Cocaine user that uses a Arab name that hates Jews.
Holy cow was a multifuckuh.
Info at the link VS in comments.
@Chris
I watched the Oakland events near-live and monitored conversations among the protesters. They were warned several times that if they did not disperse that chemical agents were going to be used and they could be serious injuries. I distinctly remember these warnings at 5 and 3 minutes prior to the launching of tear gas.
This man chose to ignore warnings and suffered the consequences.
I’ve never been elected to public office, either, but I have the right to criticize where I see fit.
@Noelegy
Exactly.
just like the muslims who are suing Catholic university for religious symbols; it seems to me, this guy sounds like he may have joined the military, not with the
honorable intenion of serving his country; but to be an agitator and make waves. it would be interesting to hear from those he served.
like Rufus said, he is now their martyr. all the better that he is a vet. something that the right honors.
Just accept that everybody is different. I know Marines who still have dreams 15 years later that they could go back. I also know Marines that you could not pay enough to ever think about going back. This kid obviously experienced shit that he didn’t like.
Not buying this guys story. Let me see the DD214.
That’s right, because he’s unhappy with the Marine Corps after serving two tours in Iraq, it’s completely acceptable to shoot him in the face with gas cannisters and flashbang him while unconscious. Dirty hippy! Veteran card revoked!
Kos was supposedly in the US Army and he sure as hell isnt a hero, matter of fact he has done nothing but bash the US Military and the USA for anything. Remember his little remark about those Black Water men who got murdered, burned and than their bodies hung from a bridge? Screw Them! So anyone can try and join the military but not all make it and some of those who dont may be left bitter at their own failure and blame it on others. Remind you of anyone?
nonlethal” rounds Ooooooh too bad punk!
I am thinking we aught to end this the way the commie uprising
petrograd July of 1917 now that would end all this ows crap.
Or I could wait for all this protest to fall apart and the sent commie backers slink off to let these hippies take the fall. Poor stupid usless tools.
He was hit in the head by a tear gas or smoke canister.
He wasn’t clubbed, and he was warned.
it’s completely acceptable to shoot him in the face with gas cannisters and flashbang him while unconscious
fucking lunatic. make up stuff much?
“fucking lunatic. make up stuff much?”
Deny the documented facts so you can smear a veteran much?
John Kerry set the example. A coward with a personal agenda and a desire for attention. His testimony at congress was all fabricated and for some reason he never went to jail for his perjury.
I highly doubt he was directly injured by a projectile. Most likely he was pushed to the ground in the ensuing chaos, but is claiming his injury was from a projectile to garner sympathy.
i don’t need to smear a veteran.
he’s doing a bang up job of that, himself.
please show me the witness to him BEING SHOT IN THE FACE WHILE UNCONCIOUS
Here he is, injured on the ground and unconscious. The crowd comes to help him, and a police officer throws a flash bang in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNOPZLw03Q
But hey, screw that guy, right?
First of all, I would like to state that I was in the Army for ten years, joined before 9-11, and received an honorable discharge within the last month. Among the many extra duties I held as an NCO was the Unit Prevention Leader, or UPL. The “prevention” that a UPL was responsible for was the prevention of drug and alcohol abuse. In other words, I was headmistress of the whiz quiz.
While some of the rules may differ between the services, most of the drug testing rules are the same across the board. If the military is going to chapter you for standing “accused” of doing drugs, it’s because your urine test popped hot not once, but twice. The reason you have to fill the cup is so that there is enough for a secondary, more thorough screening in case the first test comes up positive. This is to establish or rule out false positives. My guess is that he claims to be “ACCUSED OF” using cocaine because his chain of command didn’t actually bust him with the loader up his nose. The rest of the evidence is there, he just wasn’t caught in the act.
Another thing I noticed is the attitude when people get out. People who do their time and move on tend to either harbor warm memories, or “love the service, and hate that certain individuals in leadership positions are ruining what was a great service.” The ones who were getting kicked out hated everything about serving, and every bad action – from going AWOL to doing an ounce of meth in a week – is the fault of the military and not them. Based on my experience, guess what category he falls into…
Most Marines I’ve met say once a Marine ALWAYS a Marine, I’m guessing this guy would be accurate in calling himself an ex-Marine.
i admit i was wrong about him being shot while he’s down.
HOWEVER. what part of a cop telling THOSE PEOPLE TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE DON’T THEY UNDERSTAND.
actions have consequences.
The first cognizant lesson most of us learn…if you play with fire, you are going to get burned. Many learned that lesson by touching the hot stove. Once you have left the nest, you should have learned most of those lessons.
Hey Olsen, sorry you hate the Marine Corps. But guess what? It’s all volunteer! You made a bad choice for you. Now man up! It didn’t work out for you. Now, I am sorry you are not doing well, but the fault for this lies at your feet, not the police. They gave you ample warning and you were just too ignorant, dumb, blind and/or stupid to get the f*ck out of the way.
And for all the anti-military types out there…the military is run by the government of this country. If you feel like spitting on the soldier, why not do it to your President, Senator or Representative. They hold the strings.
“They gave you ample warning and you were just too ignorant, dumb, blind and/or stupid to get the f*ck out of the way.”
How do you “get the fuck out of the way” of grenades being thrown at you while unconscious? Is that how you believe the police should act?
another paid troll. how nice.
“another paid troll. how nice.”
Deflection. Denial.
While at first glance I thought the tossing of what appears to be a flash bang was excessive, consider another perspective: the police are in riot gear and have, at the very least, been pelted with paint bombs. Tear gas drifts in the dark and combined with gas masks and face shields, limits visibility. A group of protesters suddenly rushes and forms a group directly in front of them. It’s not only understandable how this happened, but also clear the police thought there was a need to defend themselves.
Now it’s gone from possible rubber bullets, possible tear gas can and possible flash bang to grenades.
Soon we’ll hear the cops used .50 cal on this guy. Sheesh.
@Xavier,
Bullcrap. Watch that video again. The police are ten feet from the kid on the ground. The group that ran over had their backs turned to the police helping the kid. There is no way they mistook that as the protestors bum rushing the barricade. That was an asshole cop being an asshole. I hope his badge and pension are taken away and he has to go back to being a washed up ex-jock bagging groceries to feed his miserable kids.
Also, even if you can’t see ten feet, you shouldn’t be throwing f@#$ing bombs!
“Tear gas drifts in the dark and combined with gas masks and face shields, limits visibility. A group of protesters suddenly rushes and forms a group directly in front of them. It’s not only understandable how this happened, but also clear the police thought there was a need to defend themselves.”
The police are supposed to err on the side of caution for the citizenry they have sworn to protect. Not protect themselves first and ask questions later while wearing full riot gear.
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Actually we call them “less lethal” in law enforcement because of this very issue. Because if you are participating in a riot and you happen to be close enough to a cop who are deploying rubber bullets, you may get your skull fractured and end up in the hospital. I hope it was worth whatever they are protesting for. Normal people who prtest, ie Tea Party don’t get into problems with police.
“Actually we call them “less lethal” in law enforcement because of this very issue. ”
Are you trained to throw grenades into crowds trying ot assist injured people? Are you trained to launch cannisters directly at people rather than skipping them off the ground? Are you trained to reflexively smear anyone injured in protests you disagree with, regardless of whether it has any bearing on the actual issue?
Scott Elsen is the founder of Marine-bashing website IHateTheMarineCorps.com
So this justifies the police bashing his skull in, because he was a Marine in Iraq and now doesn’t like the Marines?
Heh, so glad this came out, knew it would. The IVAW
is a bunch of pukes. This Ain’t Hell covers these turds all the time.
@Kathy Kattenburg
1st of all Kathy, it still has not been determined on how he recieved his injuries.
2nd, It also shouldn’t have anything to do with his military service that he is a willing participant in the OWS group. His military service has no bearing on him making a stupid decision by partaking in a hostile mob who’s demands are STILL yet to be determined but are causing nothing but social un-rest. (Which I believe is their true and ONLY intention.)
Nice try in twisting the subject though!
Not likely todarga tadcf & Kathy Kattenburg
I served & was honorably discharged from USMC (Just for frame of reference)
In one of Olsen’s posts he says he was being administratively separated after testing positive for Coke. If true he won’t be afforded any benefits that we Veterans get. It sounds like he may have eaten the Big Chicken Dinner (Bad Conduct Discharge).
So it seems like Young Mr. Olsen was disgruntled because he got caught up in operation Golden Flow & got his ass tossed out under less than honorable circumstances.
&
That does tarnish the narrative the left is trying to frame about him… Funny how the only time the you moonbats appreciate a vet is when their death or injury advances your fucking agenda.
The consequences of his actions have nothing to do with him being a Marine.
They have everything to do with him being a lawless fuck, and the police taking action against him and other lawless fucks in Oakland.
Personally, I’d rather the cops stand down and we hash it out amongst ourselves.
It’d be over inside of 36 hours. All of it.
Having not served 1 hr. ever in any branch of military so I have very little to go on as far as directly understanding all the if’s, and’s or but’s on this whole deal. Although, family military goes back on both sides to the civil war.
Just wandering what led this guy to sign up in the first place? O/T but somewhat related, is the issue of a Border Patrol getting served time in the clink for following s.o.p on frisking a teen drug mule crossing the border. The mule is getting off, but no the BP is being stuck with time.
What is supposed to be up is down, what is supposed to be right is left, what is over is under.
War is Hell.
You know what, fck him and those like him.My husband and brother both served and it was not easy, esp for my bro being a Jewish enlistee in the early 60s Navy. Despite that he still speaks fondly of his service. This guy dishonors those who serve without complaint. He can join the ranks of other turncoats like Jeremiah Wright, John effin Kerry, Jack Murtha, et al.
@vagabond…
The same with all those who served from my family tree.
he looks like a nancy boy that just couldnt handle the marines. i’ve known a couple liberals just like him. they sign up, they cant handle it, then somehow it’s not their fault they failed, it’s the marines. seriously.
-President FFM
What the OWS supporters won’t tell you is HOW this all got started. The police were attacked with bottles, rocks and paint, then they sent in a whole lot of police to restore order.
http://www.breitbart.tv/occupyoakland-protesters-sorround-throw-paint-on-police/
1st of all Kathy, it still has not been determined on how he recieved his injuries.
2nd, It also shouldn’t have anything to do with his military service that he is a willing participant in the OWS group. His military service has no bearing on him making a stupid decision by partaking in a hostile mob who’s demands are STILL yet to be determined but are causing nothing but social un-rest. (Which I believe is their true and ONLY intention.)
Wait a minute. “It still has not been determined” how Olson was injured, but it HAS been determined that he took part in a “hostile mob”? How’s that work?
And it *doesn’t* have anything to do with his military service that “he is a willing participant in the OWS group.” He is a “willing participant in the OWS group” because he is exercising his First Amendment rights to participate in public dissent. He has that right whether he used to be a Marine or not.
And btw, what exactly is wrong with “stirring up social unrest”? Only someone who does not believe that people have a right to change society through peaceful public action and political action think there’s something wrong with “social unrest.”
Kathy Katt here’s how that works pay attention…
Larry O’Donnell : Did you see people throwing bottles and rocks at the police BEFORE they used those tactics?
Oakland Protestor Tasha Casini : Umm, yeah. People were doing that..
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/10/28/msnbc-host-gets-humiliated-by-occupy-oakland-protester/
Oh & Kathy Katt
–”What exactly is wrong with “stirring up social unrest”? Only someone who does not believe that people have a right to change society through peaceful public action and political action think there’s something wrong with “social unrest.”–
Quit the fucking babe in the woods routine… The question is to what ends are they acting out. If it’s just to raid the public’s treasury some more then GTF Off MY GRASS!!!
&
Newsflash They haven’t been lawful or peaceful.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/28/doctors-scott-olsen-suffered-brain-damage-and-is-unable-to-speak/
Exactly what Odumbo has been waiting for
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http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/marines-storm-reddit-after-occupy-oakland-shooting-of-scott-olson_b43369
Marines have been flocking to the social networking/aggregator site Reddit to voice their anger at the life-threatening injury inflicted on 24-year-old Iraqi war veteran Scott Olsen by Oakland police during the recent Occupy protests. Video showed Olsen go down after taking a tear gas canister to the head. As fellow protesters tried to assist him, police lobbed a flash grenade into their midst–right next to Olsen’s already fractured skull.
The picture above, submitted by Reddit user aburger, has generated well over 1,000 comments on the site–many from fellow Marines who are absolutely livid at the injury to one of their own by police.
Here’s one from Reddit user 0311kilo33:
As God is my witness. I will fight tooth and nail to restore the decency this country was founded upon. The politicians, banks and large corporations have ruined this country. I find it difficult to notice any sense of politeness on the streets anymore. But it goes farther. As a Marine and a citizen I am outraged. I am sick to death of the world my children are being raised in.
So I ask all of you, can you too sense the tipping point? When will enough be enough? If not now, when? I feel the problem is that the average Joe citizen is ignorant and comfortable. These, in addition to selfishness have become the standard for the majority of the population. As long as people are comfortable they remain silent. Well, I’m really fucking uncomfortable and I’m sick of seeing this sort of shit happening. The Occupy protests that are going on are our first glimmer of hope. If we can take this and move it further, get every lazy ass off their rocker and open their eyes; then maybe, just maybe we have a chance.
Semper Fi brothers, and remember who you are. Protectors of a great nation, not politicians or wealthy money grubbing bankers and the like. When it comes time, I know we’ll stand strong.
If online reaction is any indication, it’s not a stretch to think Olsen’s injury could be the start of something very big. We have a lot of military combat veterans in this country who haven’t been treated very well since they left the service. No job prospects. Inadequate medical coverage. If they take their anger offline and into the streets, the OWS movement will become an extremely potent, and WELL TRAINED force.
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Team O and the OWS anarchists want so desperately to go mainstream
The OWS movement are shills for the statist anarchists (oxymoron) that surround George Soros.
They are not the friends of civilization, they are here to promote a civil war for civil wars sake.
Furious Fat Man says:
he looks like a nancy boy that just couldnt handle the marines.
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that’s Fucking FatHead kinda talk…… he volunteered and served……he earned the right to not like it.
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Or fustermonkey if you prefer!
Kathy Katt here’s how that works pay attention…
Larry O’Donnell : Did you see people throwing bottles and rocks at the police BEFORE they used those tactics?
Oakland Protestor Tasha Casini : Umm, yeah. People were doing that..
Wow, LOL. Guess there’s no argument I can make in the face of that overwhelming evidence.
The question is to what ends are they acting out. If it’s just to raid the public’s treasury some more then GTF Off MY GRASS!!!
Sorry, but you are wrong. They have the right to protest to any ends they wish to protest. You don’t get to tell them that they can’t or shouldn’t protest because you don’t agree with or like what they’re protesting.
& Newsflash They haven’t been lawful or peaceful.
If by “lawful” you mean they have marched in the street after being told by police to get on the sidewalk, or that they marched onto the Brooklyn Bridge after the police told them not to, that is true. That’s called peaceful civil disobedience. The appropriate legal consequence for civil disobedience is being arrested, not tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, or having your skull fractured.
Hey Bitch, you left out the part of throwing rocks, bottles and paint bombs at police.
http://www.breitbart.tv/occupyoakland-protesters-sorround-throw-paint-on-police/
Gunnery Sergeant, United States Marine Corps (Retired)
All I can add is ihatescottolsen.com
dirt bag
–Kathy Kattenburg–
if you’re going to ignore that there was a group within the Oakland that were looking for trouble and indeed were throwing bottles, then you don’t get to lecture about “peaceful civil disobedience”………
there remains no excuse for busting Olsen’s head with a canister, but there was good and sufficient reason for the police inOakland to use force….and gas.
Well mark this day on the calendar that fuster actually said something truthful.
The Oakland group was infiltrated. In NYC, it’s been remarkably peaceful and non-violent …OWS is pretty much white and middle-class (and pretentious) and absolutely flummoxed about how to deal with the actual NYC street trash drifting into their midst.
(If truth were to be told, they probably would like the cops to weed the creeps out for them.)
But peaceful they are. Bloomberg sent firemen into the park, to take away the gas-fueled generators and the gasoline.
—-”The equipment, which helped power computers and mobile phones and keep people warm as temperatures dipped near freezing, are safety hazards and illegal, Bloomberg said.
The material won’t be allowed back into the park in Lower Manhattan, said the mayor…… The occupants cooperated with law enforcement and the sweep produced no violence, he said.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/10/28/bloomberg_articlesLTSJTU0D9L35.DTL
f you’re going to ignore that there was a group within the Oakland that were looking for trouble and indeed were throwing bottles, then you don’t get to lecture about “peaceful civil disobedience”………
I don’t know whether there was or not, and I don’t think you do, either. If there were protesters who were throwing bottles, the job of the police would be to restrain those individuals and arrest them. Whether they threw the bottles before or after the police involved themselves in the protest. Throwing bottles is never justified, no matter who does it, and no matter when they do it. By the same token, the police are *never* justified in beating someone up, especially if they are already on the ground, and neither are the police *ever* justified in hitting someone on the head to the point that they fracture his skull. Fracturing someone’s skull is a criminal act even when the police do it. This individual we’re discussing was almost *killed,* you know. He’s only recently been upgraded from critical to fair condition. There is NO excuse, reason, or justification for the police to do that, to anyone. Period.
KK—-here’s something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA
the police are OFTEN justified in beating people and firing gas.
you say whatever you please, but I’ll confine my criticism to saying that firing a canister into somebody’s dead is wrong and requires investigation
He felt he had been exploited by the Corps, now he’s being exploited by the Leftie’s who will turn him into a martyr but who really couldn’t care less whether he lives or dies.
he police are OFTEN justified in beating people and firing gas.
Then we disagree.
@fuster
“the police are OFTEN justified in beating people and firing gas”
Great goobly moobly….damnit fuster, but I agree with you 100% on that statement. Sometimes we have to concede to the adsurd and police it with extreme force.
Kathy K, I don’t know where you live, but in my city people assault cops and have to use, and SHOULD use, physical force to stave off attackers……Not only do they have the right and responsibility of defending themselves, they also are required to defend the public against assault.
It’s kinda the whole idea behind having a police force…..I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but there are bad and violent people at large right here in River City!!
@fuster
“River City”???
You are a Scottish Soap Opera?
I’m a frogball of confusion….
( go find “The Music Man”…..and look for Trouble)
Sometimes we have to concede to the adsurd and police it with extreme force.
Even assuming that you meant absurd, not adsurd, I still can’t figure out what this sentence means. Police should use extreme force on people who are being absurd?
And @fuster:
Kathy K, I don’t know where you live, but in my city people assault cops and have to use, and SHOULD use, physical force to stave off attackers……
People assaulting cops in your city is unrelated to cops beating up and fracturing the skulls of demonstrators at an OWS protest in Oakland, CA.
It’s a completely different subject, fuster.
Not only do they have the right and responsibility of defending themselves, they also are required to defend the public against assault.
How does this translate into tear-gassing political protesters and beating them up? What do the two scenarios have to do with each other?
It’s kinda the whole idea behind having a police force…..
The idea behind having a police force is to protect the public by enforcing the law, not to break the law themselves. We’re talking about police officers in Oakland, CA, who savagely beat protesters and fractured the skull of one, almost killing him. That’s not the idea behind a police force, and in fact it violates any existing guidelines for use of force by police that I know of. Those officers should be brought up on criminal charges.
I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but there are bad and violent people at large right here in River City!!
Yeah, I’ve heard that. I still don’t get what it has to do with using tear gas on crowds of political protesters, beating up protesters, throwing flash grenades and bashing people’s heads in.
And to answer your question, I live in a suburb of New York City.
Kathy K—–The idea behind having a police force is to protect the public by enforcing the law, not to break the law themselves.”—
the police lawfully use force….they are required to do so in many situations and it should be assumed that their use of force is in keeping with the law……
it is undeniably true that sometimes they exceed their guidelines and use excessive force, sometimes even feloniously….but that has to be proven.
Guess what, KK—–they are innocent until proven guilty….
if you have evidence of savage beatings that violated the law….present that evidence. when cops are getting pelting with projectiles, gas and flashes and some beating seem not only non-violative, but positively good things.
I’m still sticking with saying that the canister to Olsen’s head looks like an obvious abuse and requires an investigation.
If you’re around NYC, you should spare a sentence to applaud the performance of the NYPD in dealing with OWS.
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It’s the same cokeheaded anti-semitic douchebag.
Some of the leftist twats are desperately trying to cover this information up, but they can’t scrub fast enough to hide the truth.
Guess what, KK—–they are innocent until proven guilty….
Never said otherwise; in fact, that’s precisely why the Oakland police officers we’ve been discussing should be brought up on charges. Can’t presume innocence until proved guilty if there are no charges or trial.
That said, “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal concept. It means someone has to be given a trial and guilt has to be proved using evidence. It does NOT mean that when a police officer, or several police officers, beat someone so hard they fracture his skull, that I cannot say that as a matter of common sense, that is police brutality. The question, “Is it police brutality to beat a man until you fracture his skull?” and the question, “Should the police officers who are accused of beating a man until they fractured his skull be charged and receive a fair trial?” are separate and equally valid questions to ask. I mean, Scott Olson DID end up in the hospital near death with a fractured skull, no? Are you saying the police officers in question didn’t fracture his skull, or are you saying the police officers in question were right to fracture his skull, or are you saying that the police officers in question should be subject to a criminal investigation to determine if they fractured this guy’s skull? I can say to you that the police officers in question should get a fair trial, and ALSO, at the same time, say to you that when police officers put a political protester in the hospital with a fractured skull, that’s police brutality.
I mean, this doesn’t seem like rocket science to me. It feels to me like these are really easy and sensible concepts.
KK—did you actually read what I said about Olsen or are you running too hot?
If you’re around NYC, you should spare a sentence to applaud the performance of the NYPD in dealing with OWS.
They’ve been good for the most part, but there *have* been some instances of police brutality, or at the least overreaction. I don’t think it’s necessary to “applaud” the NYPD for their handling of OWS protesters, because I don’t assume that OWS protesters are bad guys who are just out to provoke the police. They are Americans exercising their constitutional right to publicly dissent, and it should be taken as a given that police officers who are out there on crowd control duty should be acting professionally. I think for the most part the NYPD officers *have* acted professionally, and I am happy about that, but I wouldn’t say I “applaud” it, as if it’s something above and beyond the call of duty.
did you actually read what I said about Olsen or are you running too hot?
I read it, fuster.