WaPo’s Eugene Robinson: Pro-Life People Believing Life Starts at Conception is “Frankly Insane”…
And it’s “frankly insane” to believe aborting a fetus isn’t murder.
MADDOW: What about this issue seems to be a winning argument to Republicans? Why, why do they like it if the polls aren’t with them?
ROBINSON: Well, the polls are not with them, the voters are not with them, so, so clearly it’s not a winning issue. I mean, they can’t believe this is, this is a good idea politically. So, I mean, the only thing I can figure out, Rachel, is that’s based on a wrong and frankly insane belief that a fertilized egg is a fully formed person and has personhood and that, you know, preventing the implantation of that egg is some-, is murder. I don’t, you know, it baffles me as to what other explanation there could be. They can be sincerely mad on this, on this subject, I think, and maybe they are.
Via Newsbusters
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But the very same people, when they want to have a baby, are the ones who sing to and play Mozart to the fetus in the womb.
Newgene…………I think I will let God be the judge of that rather than take your word for it…………you miserable commie leftist prick.
Yes, yes, Eugeneics…. that same argument could be had for you today, as well. Good thing your mom didn’t agree with you. Well, good for you, at least.
Damn, that’s some dumb on display there.
Eugene,
Thank God your mother didn’t believe in “abortion”!
If she had, we would have fewer imbeciles to laugh about.
Keep on showing your classless, clueless self!
@Rufus
HOLEY CRAP! your right!
then again. mind blowing hypocrisy i guess
It must be so wonderful to be godlike and KNOW when life begins…to me there is at least a question in any sane persons mind…and being there is a question, I tend to error on the side of life. I think only God can make that decision finite. I will always defer to His opinion.
Stealing from elRushbo: If we went to Mars and found a single-cell organism, the headlines around the world would read “Life found on Mars”. so a single cell on Mars is life, but a single cell in a woman is not……Got it.
Although I’m not a Democrat and am a Republican I believe people should have the right to do as they believe and not force their opinion onto others. I believe that life begins at birth as well, as it is stated in my religion which preceedes the Christian view. This is a very tough subject, but It’s not my decision really, I’m not a woman. Each to their own as they say, as I believe.
“a fully formed person”
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Doesn’t this usually occur around 20 years of age?
Why should this be the benchmark for what constitutes ‘life’? And why do liberals get to decide (for everyone) what does, and what does not, have value? For all their complaining about the oppressiveness of ‘religious value systems’, Socialism DOES intend to impose it’s own value system on the community it supposedly represents.
“So, I mean, the only thing I can figure out, Rachel, is that’s based on a wrong and frankly insane belief that a fertilized egg is a fully formed person and has personhood…”
Bzzzzt. Wrong. Bogus attempt at framing the argument.
The belief is that LIFE begins at conception, nothing whatsoever is being said about a “fully formed person”.
Robinson’s ignorance on a topic he would claim to be an expert on is frankly insane or stunningly ignorant (you choose), as are Macchio’s daily droolings.
But you keep on with the dishonest demagoguery, genie- it’s what you kids over on the A/V club network (msnbc) are good at.
Idiot.
Here’s a question for Liberal…
So if it was possible to determin that a fertilized egg would grow up to be homosexual, would it be fine to abort it?
@Islam..
This is not a general “choice” issue. It is a Constitutional issue, and the left is disregarding that. Nobody is saying that people cannot choose. What they are saying is that the government cannot constitutionally mandate that faith-based organizations be made complicit in funding government programs that specifically go against their beliefs.
The left will deflect from that til they run out of breath because they – again – have no valid argument. So rather than stay on topic, they hold up a shiny object and talk about that. The President does it every day.
“I believe that life begins at birth as well, as it is stated in my religion which preceedes the Christian view.”
Ah, good to know- so then I can be certain you’re a full and vocal opponent of partial birth abortions, something Earflaps voted in favor of three times while stealing money posing as an Illinois state senator?
Outstanding.
He’s right …
It’s ONLY “life” if the feminist wants a baby, and especially if they miscarry … especially if the pregnant woman is in a car accident or beaten by her baby-daddy and loses the “baby”, and the prosecutors want to press charges for “the baby’s” death, or the baby-mommy wants to sue for the loss of “the baby” and slam the baby-daddy’s ass in the state pen for screwing around with another woman … who might ALSO be pregnant, and THAT IS a “baby” because it’s the alien invader of the original baby-mommy’s little love nest with the dual baby-daddy.
But until that time, life ONLY starts after the roses and stuffed bears are delivered to the private hospital room in the maternity ward, and baby-daddy comes in to pose for pictures with baby-mommy and “the baby”.
Simple enough, eh?
Under a microscope those little sperm guys do a hell of a lot of “swimming”………..wonder how they do that if they are not alive………..just saying…..
A good thing to get these godless fools to think about is when exactly IS this being a human with rights? Is it right after birth? Well what about a baby that is born at 7 months (which happens a lot)? Well shouldn’t older, more developed beings at 8 and 9 months also be protected? What about just one month earlier at 6 months? Oh, that’s not human? How did this being go from completely human and protectable at 7 months to something you can murder without a thought a month earlier? What is this line? How are you so sure? And WHO ARE YOU to make that call?
When is it a life? If he has discounted conception as a starting point, then he should have some notion of when it is officially murder to kill one. Shall we set it at 1 month after conception? Three months after conception? Six months after conception? Birth? How about a week after birth?
If he’s going to get in to that morass, he should also have some concrete notion of when it is human and what defines humanity. But I can’t argue with someone who calls my point of view “insane” without showing the alternative.
To Obama, your life begins when you sign up for an entitlement program.
@Mad Dog-
HAH! well done, Mr. Dog.
+50,000
Good people love and care for their children. Evil people kill their children. It isn’t any more complicated than that.
“…a wrong and frankly insane belief that a fertilized egg is a fully formed person…”
Otherwise known as a conceptus, which is no longer merely egg or sperm, but a new thing in itself. And a thing, that meets the 4 scientific criteria that establishes life. …Also, I might add, no one argues it is a FULLY FORMED person, but rather a nascent person. A new person not YET fully formed, but a person nonetheless.
Can you say “straw man”?
I’ll tell you what insane is: to argue that two human persons, through the union of their bodies, produce “tissue” that is NOT a person, that if left to develop, ALWAYS becomes a person.
Goes against the principles of ontology, one would think. Human persons can ONLY produce human persons, and that offspring is ALWAYS a human person during all stages of development because he/she cannot be anything else.
But, who’d expect a liberal to know anything about logic or science?
Daddy-O, You are on the money!
A person is in a constant state of development, the line has to be drawn “person or no” not “degrees of person.” Personhood does not admit to degrees. Fully formed is a physical development thing, quite apart from personhood.
“fully formed”
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Does Eugene have any children?
@Daddy-O:
Brilliant written piece, save for this misstep in logic:
“…if left to develop, ALWAYS becomes a person. ”
I would direct you to examine the above video clip to view irrefutable evidence that in at least 2 instances, your theory is erroneous.
Leftists columists who still write for liberal news rags and stark raving stupid and robinson is a perfect example of what i mean
o-hole loves late term abortions and voted 3 times AGAINST the Infant Born Alive Protection Act . . . .
He is fine with leaving newborns, who survived a botched abortions, alone in a room to die of neglect. With no care at all. He said he didn’t want to interfere with the wishes of the mother who had tried to abort the late term baby.
So even tho a baby was born alive, breathing, a viable human being, it has no rights to life at all.
It is left to die.
This tell you everything you need to know abt. the evil grifter.
He is a psychopath.
just an analogy. if a nasa mission found cells multiplying on a distant planet (not janet) or moon, they would declare they have found life. but somehow cells multiplying that will create a human being is not life to these buffoons. if only their parents had seen fit to end them under the same pretenses.
Grass Mud Horsey,
Funny!
I e-mailed Mr. Robinson a “modified” version of my post.
We’ll see if he responds.
Amen Maggie!!!
Here’s a question for Liberal…
So if it was possible to determine that a fertilized egg would grow up to be homosexual, would it be fine to abort it?
Awesome! A question for the fags that’d be sure to stump them.
Mad Dog: Right to the point! Excellent!
So, to the mindless fools like EUGENICS Robinson, if it’s not alive, then how does it keep growing, day by day?
These a-holes would be the first ones jumping up & down & wetting their pants if someone stepped on a roach or swatted a fly.
ABORTION is MURDER
He might as well have said, “Bah… Human rights? You believe in Human Rights? You are INSANE!!”. (like so many other in power these days)
Guess it is settled….Eugene has spoken.
It’s not surprising that he said this, considering the “cognitive contamination” of Marxist Ideology in our “intellectual elites” (not to mention Acedemia) in this nation. Marxists do not believe that human life is any more significant than that of animals and why should they? There is no God who gives “human rights” to anybody according to Marxists and the teachings of people like Charles Darwin (survival of the fittest) puffs them up as being “the fittest” and thus justifying what was formerly called “mental illness”, namely the Narcissism and incredibly high esteem they assign to themselves as “the greatest and the best”. Surely it must be so, for they “Occupy” positions of power and have a voice above the voices of the common rabble don’t they? (pardon me while I go and barf)
And quite frankly, the fully formed person argument (well refuted here already) is such a straw man. As if a human fetus (person or not) might grow into something other than a human. If not a person, then what is it? It’s not going to grow into a fish or a goat…
Well… OK, maybe a being with goat legs and cloven hoves as in Robinson’s case, but I digress…
Read “because that is a Judeo-Christian concept, and we know which God they serve…”
YHVH = Behold Our Strongest and Surest Help Foundation Anchor Refuge in this Age and the next .. 1Cor15:1-4
Rom 1:21-…Because when they knew & recognized Him as God, they did not honor & glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile & God-less in their thinking with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations & their senseless minds were darkened.
Do you suppose, when he stands before God in judgement, he’ll call the Creator insane?
Is a seed putting out roots and leaves a member of the family of plants it came from? Do we refer to a developing orange seed as an orange tree? Would it be insane to not refer to a developing seed as a member of the genus it came from? Yes, yes, yes.. is a developing human a member of the human species? Yes.. is it insane to not refer to a human from the time it begins to develop as human? Yes.. I love Socratic reasoning..
Ah yes, the great expert, scientist and obstetrician , Professor Eugene Robinson…errr??!!
So Eugene you dumb Lib, you do realize if you answered that way on a test you would get it wrong. I’ll even simplify it for you with this question, “If life doesn’t start at conception what will be born, and how did it get that way?”.
Dumb liberals, they can be frustrating, but when they try to think, they are so stupid it becomes amusing.
actually it’s insane to believe that that life does not begin when life actually begins.
they mental contortions and almost total denial of facts, logic, and reason that pro-abortionists undertake to justify their position is truly astonishing.
you can’t have an honest debate with pro-abortionists because their position is predicated on dishonesty. dishonest terminology. dishonest representation of biological facts. dishonest understanding of the underlying leftist feminist politics behind the pro-abortion position.
I am going to share with you the single most powerful argument. I ask you to study it carefully and propagate it to the masses. This argument cannot be defeated if properly advanced.
As we all know, DNA is a potent means of identification. It is arguable that the DNA code of any single human being is unique to them alone. DNA serves as the instruction set for producing the entire human being. This DNA code exists for the entirety of life, from shortly after sperm and egg unite, prior to the existence of the complete body to many years after death. This pattern of molecules known as DNA is the literal definition, the instruction set, of the human being that will be created from it.
The moment that the complete DNA code comes into existence is the logical, irrefutable beginning of the human being. The DNA code exists shortly after sperm and egg unite and remains throughout life to serve as the instruction set for all construction and function of the body.
It is impossible to deny the a human being is produced from the DNA code. It is impossible to deny that the human being retains the DNA code throughout life. It is impossible to deny the DNA code remains long after death. This instruction set known as DNA is clearly the beginning of human life. At the moment the DNA instruction set is complete the process of life has begun. There is no logical way to defeat this argument.
Now go study human reproduction and DNA a bit to make sure you make no mistakes and propagate this argument everywhere. Properly advanced, in ten years, this argument could change public sentiment and turn the tide forever on this issue.
William Swinger,
“Properly advanced, in ten years, this argument could change public sentiment and turn the tide forever on this issue.”
…If this issue were advanced purely on an intellectual level, maybe, but what drives this horror is pure emotion.
Winning the mind and winning the “feelings” are two very different things.
Eugenics Robinson -Ein Reich for the Right Volk.
@Daddy-O
Well eff it then- let’s give up, eh?
I thought it was a pretty cogent argument and have never seen a more concisely stated series of facts that undermined the pro-abortion rationale better than this. But if you find it so flawed, discard it.
Or, if you find some of the facts or positions flawed maybe you could contribute your ideas in an effort to improve upon it. Maybe you could point out some of the flaws or weaknesses or areas for improvement instead of back-seat driving.
Or maybe you could just pick up the argument and run with it instead of criticizing it. If it is imperfect then improve on it. No wonder we are getting our butts kicked.
Geeze. Get on board, man!
Eugene Robinson is the reason why sterotypes concerning blacks is still very much alive. He definately is not one of the deep thinker of the black community; but then one does not have to be just promise so called freebies and lie to them and keep them in public education.
how sad these peoples mothers were PRO LIFE—can we ABORT their lives in favor of the unborn—I vote YES!!!
When, exactly, do they think life begins? When, exactly, does a fertilized egg become a person?
This isn’t a joke or rhetorical question; I want a definite answer.
2 weeks ago a friend had an emergency C-section and gave birth to 2 boys, 2 and 4 lbs. They look like people to me.
Life is when they arrive at my welcome center.
William Swinger,
Oh my. Hit a nerve, did I?
First, I didn’t criticize you argument. In fact, I never even commented on your argument. What I commented on was the mentality of those promote and believe in abortion as a good thing.
Your argument may very well be the most “concisely stated series of facts that undermine the pro-abortion rationale”. My point was that if the folks you present this argument to don’t care a whit about the “facts”, then your argument will not be as effective as you think.
The battle lies on both the intellectual AND emotional fronts.
Relax. I’m with ya.